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Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

Postby EPSILON » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:04 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:welcome Phliodi,

i cannot see what your letter has to do with the object of this thread. from reading "your letter" (mine was sent) my impression is that a United Cyprus is an elusive dream that you support. on the other hand the pessimism, and your critique of our leaders, be they Cypriot (talat and christofias) or turkish leaves me with the impression that your attitude is that of one who sees failure, conspiracy and impotence everywhere. Why not mention Americans and the British in your conspiracy as well? Why not mention the plutocracy that is International?

Being from Paphos, would you like to return? ...and if there is a United Republic of Cyprus, wouldn't our identity as Individuals add to the identity we have as Persons under the proposal which i have made (a strong central government and two National Assemblies)? Futuristcally, wouldn't the island's population change dramatically with the free movement of people from Europe, and with peace in the Middle East, and Africa free from the blights it now suffers, given that Global Warming does not end our living as we know it today?

i come from a mixed village where our lives were highly socialised having a culture of cooperation. my family suffered greatly because we did not leave with the coup. i may be "greek" in my origins but like the rest of the villagers we were attached to our land and the respect we all shared. my suggestion is to rethink your perspective so that the extremists who sought the plunder of our way of life are left without the satisfaction that they must enjoy from their present success.


good luck.


Prophitia: TALAT AND CHRISTOFIAS will be jailed in 2009.Different jails -different courts but similar court decision. TRATORS OF THE NATION (Which Nation? no difference)
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Postby Piratis » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:14 pm

Phaliodi wrote:Dear Chistofias,
I'm very disappointed with your very biased view of the "Cyprus Problem". I would like to draw you attention to the fact that this problem did NOT start in 1974. Turkish Cypriots, who in your opinion are just a minority ethnic group, had been suffering between 1963 and 1974, in proportions that you can't even imagine. As a teenager during 1970's, I witnessed the cruelty of the Greek Cypriots against Turkish Cypriots. Don't forget that it was Greece that overthrew Makarios in 1974. You guys, never mention how many Greeks were killed during that coup. I was there. I witnessed how you guys killed each other and declared ENOSIS. You still expect us to trust you. In a "united" Cyprus, Turkish Cypriots will not have access to the same opportunities as Greeks. Firstly, they do not speak Greek. How will they get a decent job without language skills? I guess, that's not your problem. You need workers on building sites and people to collect rubbish anyway.
Secondly, there's no trust between communities. The two communities will be sitting on a time bomb. A small incident between a greek and turkish person or group will develop into a serious inter-communal struggle. And being in minority, Tc's will definitely have no chance. In other words, if there is no balance of power, there will be no peace.
The Greek Cypriots are not really serious about "Independent" Cyprus. If they were, they would not have Greek flags everywhere in Cyprus. All you guys want is to get rid of the Turkish "Occupation" Forces and then "negotiate" with T Cypriots. Do you think the Turkish Cypriots are stupid enough to negotiate with no "negotiating power". What about the Greek Army on your side anyway? Some of our leaders like Talat, in my opinion, are not very good in defending our rights. We may not even "like" some of the mainland Turks. But we don't trust the Greek Cypriots at all. This is not just my personal view. More than 75% of TCypriots have serious concerns about trusting the Greeks. If you guys like Turkish Cypriots so much, how come you hate mainland Turks so much? It's because you think Tcypriots are easy prey for you, unlike Turkey.
Anyway, good luck to you guys. Keep on sucking up to EU to pressure Erdogan (a western puppet in islamic disguise) to pull the troops out of Cyprus.


No mate, our problems didn't start in 1974. They didn't start in 1963 either. They started much earlier, when you started to butcher Cypriots by the 1000s in order to expand against us and you have not stopped your crimes ever since. Your suffering is a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering you caused to us, both in terms of amounts of casualties and amount of time of oppression.

TCs are a minority, since they are the 18%. If you didn't like to be a minority then why you came to our island? You are talking as if it is our fault that your minority was created on our island and now we have to give to you our lands because you don't want to live with us. If you don't want to live with us then go from where you came from.
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Postby EricSeans » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:16 pm

Epsilon,

What are your views on the removal of foreign flags from Cyprus, the abandonment of the redundant "motherland" concept and proceeding on the basis of Cyprus for the Cypriots?
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Postby Piratis » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:20 pm

EricSeans wrote:Epsilon,

What are your views on the removal of foreign flags from Cyprus, the abandonment of the redundant "motherland" concept and proceeding on the basis of Cyprus for the Cypriots?


And why is this question directed exclusively to Epsilon? Out of all the forum members you guessed that he is the only one who can give the "right" answer? ;)

I believe the flags and the occupation should be removed, and the Cypriot people should be allowed to freely and democratically decide about their own island without any racist or other discriminations.
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:21 pm

Piratis wrote:
Phaliodi wrote:Dear Chistofias,
I'm very disappointed with your very biased view of the "Cyprus Problem". I would like to draw you attention to the fact that this problem did NOT start in 1974. Turkish Cypriots, who in your opinion are just a minority ethnic group, had been suffering between 1963 and 1974, in proportions that you can't even imagine. As a teenager during 1970's, I witnessed the cruelty of the Greek Cypriots against Turkish Cypriots. Don't forget that it was Greece that overthrew Makarios in 1974. You guys, never mention how many Greeks were killed during that coup. I was there. I witnessed how you guys killed each other and declared ENOSIS. You still expect us to trust you. In a "united" Cyprus, Turkish Cypriots will not have access to the same opportunities as Greeks. Firstly, they do not speak Greek. How will they get a decent job without language skills? I guess, that's not your problem. You need workers on building sites and people to collect rubbish anyway.
Secondly, there's no trust between communities. The two communities will be sitting on a time bomb. A small incident between a greek and turkish person or group will develop into a serious inter-communal struggle. And being in minority, Tc's will definitely have no chance. In other words, if there is no balance of power, there will be no peace.
The Greek Cypriots are not really serious about "Independent" Cyprus. If they were, they would not have Greek flags everywhere in Cyprus. All you guys want is to get rid of the Turkish "Occupation" Forces and then "negotiate" with T Cypriots. Do you think the Turkish Cypriots are stupid enough to negotiate with no "negotiating power". What about the Greek Army on your side anyway? Some of our leaders like Talat, in my opinion, are not very good in defending our rights. We may not even "like" some of the mainland Turks. But we don't trust the Greek Cypriots at all. This is not just my personal view. More than 75% of TCypriots have serious concerns about trusting the Greeks. If you guys like Turkish Cypriots so much, how come you hate mainland Turks so much? It's because you think Tcypriots are easy prey for you, unlike Turkey.
Anyway, good luck to you guys. Keep on sucking up to EU to pressure Erdogan (a western puppet in islamic disguise) to pull the troops out of Cyprus.


No mate, our problems didn't start in 1974. They didn't start in 1963 either. They started much earlier, when you started to butcher Cypriots by the 1000s in order to expand against us and you have not stopped your crimes ever since. Your suffering is a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering you caused to us, both in terms of amounts of casualties and amount of time of oppression.

TCs are a minority, since they are the 18%. If you didn't like to be a minority then why you came to our island? You are talking as if it is our fault that your minority was created on our island and now we have to give to you our lands because you don't want to live with us. If you don't want to live with us then go from where you came from.


Secret for no circulation- they did this just because they had/have the military power- do not say to anybody else-is a secret!!!!
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Postby humanist » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:12 pm

Epsilon,

What are your views on the removal of foreign flags from Cyprus, the abandonment of the redundant "motherland" concept and proceeding on the basis of Cyprus for the Cypriots?


probably the same one as the regime you are supporting moron.

how many Turkish flags is there in the occupied areas and how many statues of the head wanker who satretd all this
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Postby EricSeans » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:13 am

Hmm...I haven't counted them lately but I'd say far, far too many. In fact the only place for foreign flags in Cyprus should be above embassies or war memorials.

BTW, I'd say by your own definition a true moron would be someone who makes false assumptions while preaching noble qualities in their signature which they are incapable of following themselves. :wink:



humanist wrote:
Epsilon,

What are your views on the removal of foreign flags from Cyprus, the abandonment of the redundant "motherland" concept and proceeding on the basis of Cyprus for the Cypriots?


probably the same one as the regime you are supporting moron.

how many Turkish flags is there in the occupied areas and how many statues of the head wanker who satretd all this
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Postby DT. » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:34 am

EricSeans wrote:Hmm...I haven't counted them lately but I'd say far, far too many. In fact the only place for foreign flags in Cyprus should be above embassies or war memorials.

BTW, I'd say by your own definition a true moron would be someone who makes false assumptions while preaching noble qualities in their signature which they are incapable of following themselves. :wink:





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Epsilon,

What are your views on the removal of foreign flags from Cyprus, the abandonment of the redundant "motherland" concept and proceeding on the basis of Cyprus for the Cypriots?


probably the same one as the regime you are supporting moron.

how many Turkish flags is there in the occupied areas and how many statues of the head wanker who satretd all this


perhaps where you live is cause for a little prejudice from a GC Eric? I won't ask you whether you've purchased GC land or not as I don't really care but I'm guessing the next question you'll get from a GC is that one. I'm also guessing the answer from you will be "No, and I've checked it out with the Cyprus land registry."
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Postby EricSeans » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:35 pm

DT,

People do themselves no favours when they jump to conclusions. I would never dream of living in a refugee's home. Take a look at how I am treated on the NC forums for telling them that to their faces. I don't mind being marginalised and hated by them for having principles, but I didn't expect a kicking here as well.
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Postby DT. » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:06 am

EricSeans wrote:DT,

People do themselves no favours when they jump to conclusions. I would never dream of living in a refugee's home. Take a look at how I am treated on the NC forums for telling them that to their faces. I don't mind being marginalised and hated by them for having principles, but I didn't expect a kicking here as well.


You shouldn't be getting a kicking, but since you are then you should also understand why you're getting it. What has the majority of your countrymen bought in the occupied areas?
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