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Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

Postby EricSeans » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:37 am

Of course I can understand, but people shouldn't jump in with both feet making unfair accusations. I went through a lot of grief doing things the right way. I have little respect for and don't identify with people who cash in on other people's suffering.



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People do themselves no favours when they jump to conclusions. I would never dream of living in a refugee's home. Take a look at how I am treated on the NC forums for telling them that to their faces. I don't mind being marginalised and hated by them for having principles, but I didn't expect a kicking here as well.


You shouldn't be getting a kicking, but since you are then you should also understand why you're getting it. What has the majority of your countrymen bought in the occupied areas?
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Postby DT. » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:40 am

EricSeans wrote:Of course I can understand, but people shouldn't jump in with both feet making unfair accusations. I went through a lot of grief doing things the right way. I have little respect for and don't identify with people who cash in on other people's suffering.



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People do themselves no favours when they jump to conclusions. I would never dream of living in a refugee's home. Take a look at how I am treated on the NC forums for telling them that to their faces. I don't mind being marginalised and hated by them for having principles, but I didn't expect a kicking here as well.


You shouldn't be getting a kicking, but since you are then you should also understand why you're getting it. What has the majority of your countrymen bought in the occupied areas?


If I may ask, what led you to move there?
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Postby EricSeans » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:59 pm

Honest answer - honeymooned in south (early 90s), visited north, liked it because it was different (totally ostracised by hotel staff after that), didn't like the idea of partition, deffo didn't like the idea of buying someone else's place, visited over the years until suitable pre-74 place came up and bought it. Contacted Kyrenia district officer in south and became (I think) the first to register the house with the Land Registry. Tried living there for a few months but found the system too corrupt and working opportunities limited. Also not happy about facilities for our young kids. Rent it out now. I still write stuff about Cyprus but not as much as before.



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EricSeans wrote:Of course I can understand, but people shouldn't jump in with both feet making unfair accusations. I went through a lot of grief doing things the right way. I have little respect for and don't identify with people who cash in on other people's suffering.



DT. wrote:
EricSeans wrote:DT,

People do themselves no favours when they jump to conclusions. I would never dream of living in a refugee's home. Take a look at how I am treated on the NC forums for telling them that to their faces. I don't mind being marginalised and hated by them for having principles, but I didn't expect a kicking here as well.


You shouldn't be getting a kicking, but since you are then you should also understand why you're getting it. What has the majority of your countrymen bought in the occupied areas?


If I may ask, what led you to move there?
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:18 am

...thank-you, eric.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:23 am

eric will you comment on my Manifesto?

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

...and enclaves as I suggest they be used, is this not a suitable way to repopulate and end the militarisation of the island that is torn in two.
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Postby EricSeans » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:14 pm

RW,

Do you propose the enclaves to be broadly situated where they were before in the 1960s/70s (applying mainly to TCs) or new settlments to be set up? Also, if people are voting according to their territory, is there a possible danger of populations just voting ethnically a la Republika Srpska, and minorities suffering as a result (before homogenisation becomes reality)?

Your manifesto is interesting to say the least. When I was reporting from Cyprus in the mid-90s my TC taxi driver spoke at length on our many journeys of his wish for a similar set-up. I had never heard a Turk say this before, as I believed most to view their former enclaves as cramped, TMT-ruled "safe havens" that they didn't miss. He shared the view of TC businessman and moderate Kofi Birinci, who once said: "The Greeks lost half of Cyprus but we lost all of it."
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:38 am

i believe ecevit came up with the idea (enclaves) in '74, at least that is what i have been told on several occasions. It may be possible to restore the Turkish villages that were lost in the south in '63. as fortheir placement,it is a question of thinking futuristicly, where they are best suited fortheir growth and a rational development of the island as its population continues to expand. between 6-12 million in 200 yrs.

because, at the federal level there are parties competing for both "Turkish votes as well as greek votes from each voter it will notbe possible in the upper house tohave the voting pattern which you suggest. However in the lower house it is more than likely thatv regional intertest will evolve. this is a good thiong IMO because the demographics ofthe island will change significantly in the future (50-200 yrs) and the representation of the population willcontinue to have its voice, alklowing "miorities" like arabs , lebenese and jews to (e.g.) be recognised as communities where the numbers warrant, drawing attention totheir special needs. the National Assemblies will play an important role in this accomadation, but the Federal Government will set standards.

i get personall messages mostly from tucophones in support ofthis idea and it is heartening that you find it valuableforconsideration as well. frankly without a "Unitary state reflected by one governing body only, i do not see any other solution but enclaves if Cypriot wish to identify themselves as Individuals as well as Persons. tearing the island in two does not serve our need for security, nor will it give us the Freewill that all Cypriots desire.

sorry forthe spelling errors, just too tired tonight, a hard day at work.

interesting...my Turkish Cypriot now living in Canada friend is a cabbie; he too said the same thing.
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Postby EricSeans » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:08 pm

RW,

You deserve credit for such a well thought-out thesis. Did you get as much as an acknowledgement from the leaders after you sent it to them? Interesting that you are in Canada where much successful peacekeeping and confidence building measures have been born. Why not send it as an essay to OpenDemocracy or one of the other online communites connected to geopolitics? It's waste not to pass it on for consideration at least.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:15 pm

...thank-you eric. i did not receive any acknowledgement to my letter from President C, and the e-mail to Mr.T. failed, using the link on his website. (at this point in the negociatons, not receiving ackowledgement may be a good sign, i hope)

if you would be so kind, show your support by sending them a copy yourself.

i am an internet cockroach, the other suggestions that you make seem to me momentous tasks, although copies of the Manifesto were sent to newspapers such as Cyprus Mail and the Turkish Daily News without response either.

...the same goes to those who PM'ed me their support, send them copies of this proposal (or your own) because these two leaders need help if they are to come up with something new that will end the impasse to this Problem.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:17 pm

...by the way, would anyone have a link to Mr. Downer, i have not been successful in finding one that i can use.
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