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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby jahitty » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:17 am

the idea of enclaves within this manifesto reminds me of gated communities for the middles classes in deprived areas. Although im very open to any new ideas and proposals i am concerened about creating ever more barriers, but if i had to choose then it would be enclaves scattered around like jewels rather than partition.
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:10 am

dear jahitty, welcome; thank-you, you get the gist.

i like this idea, enclaves, because Maronites and Armenians, (and others), have the opportunity through their National Assemblies, having a Territorial Jurisdiction, to provide for themselves as a Majority, a daily life, able to exchange socially as Cypriots, welcoming.

i like this idea because there is one State, and with National Assemblies representing the People as Persons, free to direct its energy toward its People as Individuals.

indeed 450 years from now, if Cypriots love culture, whatever theirs may be, these little jewels will be one third the way to being a Bellapias, or a Kantara.

we must choose based on Universal Principals. in our Humanity, we have chosen to express ourselves as a People, even if we identify, in some way, ourselves as Persons. This is the issue for which all Mankind waits, for us to answer as we define Bicommunal (and now Bizonal) for ourselves.

thus, two things must happen:

1) the displaced, the missing, the raped will see Justice seen as one People against this Ignorance; and for some as Communities, a return as they were forced to leave.

2) our Federal Government is free from any demographic fallout in the future whatever the bias, while National Assemblies refine the services they provide as Majorities culturally, but multiculturally.

...truly, Greeks must decide and demonstrate this willingness to be "Greeks" and form a governing body to represent this need, as equals, for its sustenance.

...they must be willing to demonstrate an equal love for this island by recognising and respecting beyond this assembly Nationally, as Cypriots a State where their interests serves the betterment of all island dwellers where within this ethnosphere each and every Citizen is without distinction equal.

Turkish Cypriots (Maronites, etc.) no doubt will see within these acts a great deal of Goodwill acting accordingly, Turkey could not refuse; potentially with a similar reform Turkey will see the benefits of a State where its distinctions are cherished too.

...obviously, one governing body is enough, however at present our population is small, this will change greatly in the near term at least doubling, and in about two hundred years five times larger than that. in those terms however we regress with a Constitution whose vision is only for today. needless to say, in this context Greek and other small ethnicities will benefit from a Governance where as Individuals and as Persons they have their say. more importantly, in my mind, this island's Heritance is retained for all Mankind's benefit, not dismissed or disgraced for a sum of money and/or political convenience.

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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby zan » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:06 pm

"Indeed 450 years from now, if Cypriots love culture, whatever theirs may be, these little jewels will be one third the way to being a Bellapias, or a Kantara"


Will you be running the first tourist service RW? Showing people the skills of the strange but charming TCs
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:06 am

...and you Zan, will you be giving tours of the enclaves in the north to Turks, the charming GC?

why can't Turkish be found island-wide; that is my question.

...i don't think you get it: a Turkish National Assembly would have as its jurisdictional territory, enclaves in the south, as well as a northern territory.
...Greeks of course would have a reciprocal relationship to the political geography. So too, i hope Maronites and Armenians...
...Sovereignty never being a question, all these electors are Citizens of one State: this is Bizonal.

in this effort it is possible to create a willingness at social-exchange.



...dear freind, cheers!
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby zan » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:04 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...and you Zan, will you be giving tours of the enclaves in the north to Turks, the charming GC?

why can't Turkish be found island-wide; that is my question.

...i don't think you get it: a Turkish National Assembly would have as its jurisdictional territory, enclaves in the south, as well as a northern territory.
...Greeks of course would have a reciprocal relationship to the political geography. So too, i hope Maronites and Armenians...
...Sovereignty never being a question, all these electors are Citizens of one State: this is Bizonal.

in this effort it is possible to create a willingness at social-exchange.



...dear freind, cheers!



What I am trying to convey to you RW, is human emotion which you ignore in your manifesto. You quickly brush past it with hope because of the working model in your head that runs like a clock. If people were that capable of behaving themselves then heaven truly would be on earth.
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:48 pm

...dearest zan, you might want to reread what I am proposing in this topic, a letter, I sent to the President of the Republic, quite a while ago, you will find that my writing is dry, as you say without emotion, but frankly you know there is one emotion I find very hard to contain, my love for Cyprus, certainly not a slave to the Imperialism of the Languages used to possess it.
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby zan » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:23 am

Would you class Harlem as an enclave RW?
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:21 am

zan wrote:Would you class Harlem as an enclave RW?


no, although in Municipal elections it would not surprise me that its representation is less than if it was one of a set of enclaves that make some entity larger, (a set of National Assemblies) between it, and the State (so to speak).
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby zan » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:25 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
zan wrote:Would you class Harlem as an enclave RW?


no, although in Municipal elections it would not surprise me that its representation is less than if it was one of a set of enclaves that make some entity larger, (a set of National Assemblies) between it, and the State (so to speak).



It is not because it would be a silly idea for it to be. If it were not silly then the whole of the US would be enclaves. There isn't a country in the works that has opted for this system or has evolved into one.
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Re: Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:50 pm

let me guess Cyprus in and of itself is of no importance just so long as "you" get your cut, so that it "belongs" to you. It's not a Cyprus you want, is it zan, it is something "Turkish", something your "motherland" (read: Turkey) could accept as a tribute to "Turkish" enough. please correct me if I am wrong.
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