Can Cyprus actually go back to the way it was?
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Lets be honest people from both sides of the divide. Can you honestly see everyone going back to their own homes and businesses? Such a scheme would surely bankrupt any future Cypriot state, federal or otherwise! How many TC's would want to go back and live in the south? How many GC's would do the same. The logistics of it all is mind boggling in itself.
Any referendum should firstly ask the people, TC or GC if they can live side by side with one another again. You all know the answer already!
We do not live in an ideal world. Both sides have made mistakes, but are not humble enough to admit their faults. There has been many distortion of facts on both sides, but this is the nature of politics.
Its all about trust. The fact is both communities don't trust the other. The younnger generation since 1974 have been brainwashed. One point of view. How about educating them first, hmmm can't be done! |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:17 pm |
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| No, we cannot go back, nothing will ever be the same ever again. But this should not stop us from forming a new union where the outstanding problems are addressed as best possible taking into account the realities of the current situation we find ourselves in. ıt is clear there will 2 sides where people can freely choose where they wish to reside and unders whos administration, this is what I have supported as a second alternative to agree partition but still being the pesimist I feel that we will never agree a union as it is clear we have different interpretations of BBF with political equality of the 2 states. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:18 pm |
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| Rebel.Without.A.Pause |
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Lets be honest people from both sides of the divide. Can you honestly see everyone going back to their own homes and businesses? Such a scheme would surely bankrupt any future Cypriot state, federal or otherwise! How many TC's would want to go back and live in the south? How many GC's would do the same. The logistics of it all is mind boggling in itself.
Any referendum should firstly ask the people, TC or GC if they can live side by side with one another again. You all know the answer already!
We do not live in an ideal world. Both sides have made mistakes, but are not humble enough to admit their faults. There has been many distortion of facts on both sides, but this is the nature of politics.
Its all about trust. The fact is both communities don't trust the other. The younnger generation since 1974 have been brainwashed. One point of view. How about educating them first, hmmm can't be done! |
Its either go back to the way it was or Cypriots waiting for the right moment to forcefully take back what is theres one day. Thats the truth. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:22 pm |
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| Rebel.Without.A.Pause wrote: |
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Lets be honest people from both sides of the divide. Can you honestly see everyone going back to their own homes and businesses? Such a scheme would surely bankrupt any future Cypriot state, federal or otherwise! How many TC's would want to go back and live in the south? How many GC's would do the same. The logistics of it all is mind boggling in itself.
Any referendum should firstly ask the people, TC or GC if they can live side by side with one another again. You all know the answer already!
We do not live in an ideal world. Both sides have made mistakes, but are not humble enough to admit their faults. There has been many distortion of facts on both sides, but this is the nature of politics.
Its all about trust. The fact is both communities don't trust the other. The younnger generation since 1974 have been brainwashed. One point of view. How about educating them first, hmmm can't be done! |
Its either go back to the way it was or Cypriots waiting for the right moment to forcefully take back what is theres one day. Thats the truth. |
So you are saying its back to 1963 or we will attack wage a war and take back the north? what will you do to the TCs who live there and will have to fight back for survival? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:26 pm |
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| So you are saying its back to 1963 or we will attack wage a war and take back the north? what will you do to the TCs who live there and will have to fight back for survival? |
Who said anything about 1963 (that you keep on going on about like thre was no history before that year) ???
I mean either Turkey leaves and Cypriots get the opportunity or choice to reclaim their property and live where they want on the island...or we will do what is in our power to take things back by other means, since Turkey and Turkish Cypriots probably dont want to do things in a fair and civilised manner. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:33 pm |
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| Rebel.Without.A.Pause wrote: |
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| So you are saying its back to 1963 or we will attack wage a war and take back the north? what will you do to the TCs who live there and will have to fight back for survival? |
Who said anything about 1963 (that you keep on going on about like thre was no history before that year) ???
I mean either Turkey leaves and Cypriots get the opportunity or choice to reclaim their property and live where they want on the island...or we will do what is in our power to take things back by other means, since Turkey and Turkish Cypriots probably dont want to do things in a fair and civilised manner. |
Are you referring just to property or the whole Cyprus situation prior to 1963?? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:46 pm |
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Personally, I think that in the event of a suitable solution, Cyprus wouldn't be 'going back to how it was'. I think it would be a new and wiser Cypriot state that would take the best elements of the past and combine them with the best of modern thinking.
Once all the old trouble-makers are gone and the external influences are cut off then we will have something that is far better than the original.
Many people might decide to sell their old properties or just keep them for the odd visit to the old towns they came from. Whatever the case may be, these people should have the right to do what they want with what is rightfully theirs. Logistics are just details. |
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| Re: Can Cyprus actually go back to the way it was? | |
| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:50 pm |
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| Medman wrote: |
Lets be honest people from both sides of the divide. Can you honestly see everyone going back to their own homes and businesses? Such a scheme would surely bankrupt any future Cypriot state, federal or otherwise! How many TC's would want to go back and live in the south? How many GC's would do the same. The logistics of it all is mind boggling in itself.
Any referendum should firstly ask the people, TC or GC if they can live side by side with one another again. You all know the answer already!
We do not live in an ideal world. Both sides have made mistakes, but are not humble enough to admit their faults. There has been many distortion of facts on both sides, but this is the nature of politics.
Its all about trust. The fact is both communities don't trust the other. The younnger generation since 1974 have been brainwashed. One point of view. How about educating them first, hmmm can't be done! |
Medman, of course we can live together if you stop trying to gain power and land on our loss. We live perfectly along with the Armenian, Maronite and Latin minorities, and so we can live in the same way along with TCs if they stop their aggression against us.
What is for sure though is that we are not going to gift to you us our lands. If you don't want to live along with the rest of Cypriots and you want to live in a Turkish state, protected by some Turkish army then go to Turkey. How come it is so easy for you to say that 100s of thousands of GCs should be ethnically cleansed from the lands they inhabited for 1000s of years, while you don't see that in case we need to separate TCs and GCs the obvious way to do it would be for the much less TCs, who came to Cyprus way after us, to just move back to where they came from? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:30 pm |
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The Turk -TCs may have lost their way.
The north may be full to brimming with settlers and troops.
But we have not lost our way.
The south is prosperous and has kept to the path of justice and is ready, willing and able to revert back to where it left off before the chaos caused by the warmongering Turks.
We have corrected their faults before, we can do it again.  |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:51 pm |
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Cyprus will never be the same, firstly because our Turk Cypriots don't want too.
Why would we want to go back to something that was not beneficial to one part of the population.
Societies and cultures grow, develop and change, Cyrus needs to do the same. If people wanted too they can choose to create a peaceful respectful society for all, but once again our Turk Cypriots think its okay to exclude others so they can benefit, hence the status quo. |
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