The Cook-Butcher of Santorini.
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| RichardB |
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trelathike o kosmos...
apparently he has history |
Five bullets and he still survived. 
Am I wrong or does it seem that when people have a "madness" they seem to survive more bullet wounds than sane people? |
A friend of mine who is policeman told me that usually the insane people are many times stronger than the sane ones when the have a crisis, he explains me that once he was sent to reduce a single unarmed man with a psychotic attack, they were seven policeman with bludgeons and they cannot. Something related to abnormal adrenaline levels I think... |
I think something similar is seen with drug addicts high on certain narcotics ... they can have the strength of several men.
Probably that's how the Police justify using Tasers in the USA (and UK? ). |
Yes tazers are used in the UK
Mentally ill patients can take a long time to restrain
I've been invoved with ones which can take up to 3 hours and that is in low security (seriously) |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:18 am |
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| RichardB wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| Spanish_spinne wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| saravakos wrote: |
trelathike o kosmos...
apparently he has history |
Five bullets and he still survived.
Am I wrong or does it seem that when people have a "madness" they seem to survive more bullet wounds than sane people? |
A friend of mine who is policeman told me that usually the insane people are many times stronger than the sane ones when the have a crisis, he explains me that once he was sent to reduce a single unarmed man with a psychotic attack, they were seven policeman with bludgeons and they cannot. Something related to abnormal adrenaline levels I think... |
I think something similar is seen with drug addicts high on certain narcotics ... they can have the strength of several men.
Probably that's how the Police justify using Tasers in the USA (and UK? ). |
Yes tazers are used in the UK
Mentally ill patients can take a long time to restrain
I've been invoved with ones which can take up to 3 hours and that is in low security (seriously) |
Were you at the receiving end |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:21 am |
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| RichardB |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| RichardB wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| Spanish_spinne wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| saravakos wrote: |
trelathike o kosmos...
apparently he has history |
Five bullets and he still survived.
Am I wrong or does it seem that when people have a "madness" they seem to survive more bullet wounds than sane people? |
A friend of mine who is policeman told me that usually the insane people are many times stronger than the sane ones when the have a crisis, he explains me that once he was sent to reduce a single unarmed man with a psychotic attack, they were seven policeman with bludgeons and they cannot. Something related to abnormal adrenaline levels I think... |
I think something similar is seen with drug addicts high on certain narcotics ... they can have the strength of several men.
Probably that's how the Police justify using Tasers in the USA (and UK? ). |
Yes tazers are used in the UK
Mentally ill patients can take a long time to restrain
I've been invoved with ones which can take up to 3 hours and that is in low security (seriously) |
Were you at the receiving end |
No I was on the restraining end
Not a lot of fun when it kicks off 15 minutes before you're due to finish shift  |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:13 am |
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| Novus |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| saravakos wrote: |
trelathike o kosmos...
apparently he has history |
Five bullets and he still survived.
Am I wrong or does it seem that when people have a "madness" they seem to survive more bullet wounds than sane people? |
With today's modern medicine, about four out of five or five out of six people intentionally shot survive.
Also, he was probably just shot with 9mm. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:46 am |
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In Greece a hunting knife with a 3 inchblade needs a license. Butcher's knives with 11 inch blade do not need a license because they are for "professional or domestic" use. Ironic isn't it?
He was shot, according to the news, with a 357 revolver from a few feet away. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:19 am |
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| Novus wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| saravakos wrote: |
trelathike o kosmos...
apparently he has history |
Five bullets and he still survived.
Am I wrong or does it seem that when people have a "madness" they seem to survive more bullet wounds than sane people? |
With today's modern medicine, about four out of five or five out of six people intentionally shot survive.
Also, he was probably just shot with 9mm. |
I see!
So the nice, humane Greek Police do not shoot to kill. 
What type of guns / tactics do the policemen use in the US? Is it shoot to kill? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:11 am |
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| saravakos wrote: |
trelathike o kosmos...
apparently he has history |
Sad news. Could you translate please.(into English)
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:33 am |
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Translation-
The world has gone mad
"He had a history" probably alludes to some history of past psychiatric disorder, which is hard to figure since that info is covered by the law on personal data which is applied to extreme ends in Greece lately. They did not even release the mans name in the media. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:16 pm |
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| Nikitas wrote: |
In Greece a hunting knife with a 3 inchblade needs a license. Butcher's knives with 11 inch blade do not need a license because they are for "professional or domestic" use. Ironic isn't it?
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| He was shot, according to the news, with a 357 revolver from a few feet away. |
A .357 with an expanding point (hollow point) shot at very close range is moving so fast the bullet may pass completely through not expending its entire energy to the body, nor expanding properly when it does. If it doesn't hit a bone, a critical organ or a nerve cluster, someone high on adrenaline may not notice they are shot or react strongly to it for seconds or maybe even minutes in extreme situations. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:23 pm |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| Novus wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| saravakos wrote: |
trelathike o kosmos...
apparently he has history |
Five bullets and he still survived.
Am I wrong or does it seem that when people have a "madness" they seem to survive more bullet wounds than sane people? |
With today's modern medicine, about four out of five or five out of six people intentionally shot survive.
Also, he was probably just shot with 9mm. |
I see!
So the nice, humane Greek Police do not shoot to kill.
What type of guns / tactics do the policemen use in the US? Is it shoot to kill? |
From what I have been told police worldwide are trained to shoot for center of body mass because if it got to the point where the threat has to be stopped they want to ensure a hit and that means aiming for the biggest part of the body (the chest and abdomen).
Also, aiming to wound will lead to more misses and when someone is comming at you with a knife you don't want to give them more time to kill you by missing the target. And there is also the issue of stray bullets. Why increase the number of stray bullets by shooting at a fast moving arm or a leg? The center of body mass is hard enough to hit in those situtations. |
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