Displaced and non-displaced Turkish Cypriots
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| halil |
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| humanist wrote: |
thank you Nikitas, you saved me from doing it  |
yaa Andrea , Nikitas when the figures comes out from the Turkish Cypriots side you are always going mad trying to find excuses all the time .These are the academic researches mate .
İf you calculate the population of the TC's during 63-74 you can easily found those percentages .
start to counting TC's villages and places that have been left at south also calculate TC's villages that have been left in north before 74 .
calculate how many people left their homes between 63 and 74 and how many people lost their lives between 63-74 and find out their family roots .
no one is denying that GC's didn't suffer or they are not having traumatic effects . They do ....
you have to except that TC's are having traumatic effects too .
few days ago one of the GC Dr pointed out at haravgi news paper .how GC's people needs psychological help too . nothing is wrong with these kind of ideas .These are the effects of the Cyprus problem .This problem effected both side of the people .
the wrong with you mate you are trying to show that everything started at 74 .... which is wrong .... TC's are suffering since 63 ,still they are carring effects of the those troubled times of the 63-74 ....
still they are talking how they were paying to human smugglers to bring them to British bases to escape to North .( or so close to green line that they can find the ways to get in to north ) |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:12 pm |
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Halil,
It is impossible for almost half the people to have one relative killed. The figures do not add up.
Then you have the words the dude uses, ie "fled" and "escaped". Once you start using this kind of subtle bending of meanings then the whole analysis goes to pot.
We know the casualty figures from the 60s, less than one thousand people from both sides were killed. Lots of TCs were displaced, some due to GCs chasing them away, others because the TMT wanted them to move to enclaves and have no contact at all with GCs.
Remember Bir posting about the TMT and their tactics?
We all know the story, as well as the story behind he story, there is no need for these "studies" which seem aimed more at foreigners than Cypriots. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:02 pm |
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| Nikitas wrote: |
Halil,
It is impossible for almost half the people to have one relative killed. The figures do not add up.
Then you have the words the dude uses, ie "fled" and "escaped". Once you start using this kind of subtle bending of meanings then the whole analysis goes to pot.
We know the casualty figures from the 60s, less than one thousand people from both sides were killed. Lots of TCs were displaced, some due to GCs chasing them away, others because the TMT wanted them to move to enclaves and have no contact at all with GCs.
Remember Bir posting about the TMT and their tactics?
We all know the story, as well as the story behind he story, there is no need for these "studies" which seem aimed more at foreigners than Cypriots. |
Given that all Cypriots are somewhat related (TC and GC alike) I am surprised the figure is not closer to 100%...  |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:25 pm |
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Merhaba Birkibrisli,
Deniz in Cyprus now .we were together yesterday .Karma asked if he saw the Emine ,he didnt see her . |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:29 pm |
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UNFICYP 2 February 2001:
"UNFICYP estimates as of end 2000
IDP population in northern Cyprus: 45,000 persons
IDP population in southern Cyprus: 165,000 persons
Total IDP population: 210,000 persons"
Total internally displaced population: estimated 210,000 persons (2007)
The government of the Republic of Cyprus reports a total of 210,000
IDPs, while the Turkish Cypriot administration states the internal displacement issue was solved in 1975 with the Vienna agreements
The figure from the government of the Republic of Cyprus does not include some 26,000 people displaced by the events of 1963-64
Other sources also state there were 210,000 people displaced by the events of 1974, though one source estimates the number to be 205,000 people
http://www.internal-displacement.org/idmc/website/countries.nsf/(httpEnvelopes)/D3F74A4AB400E593802570B8005A6EA2?OpenDocument |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:01 pm |
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| Now, if someone had any sense of good public relations they would have returned Famagusta and the villages along the old Nicosia Famagusta road and the IDPs would have been reduced by 50 per cent overnight. Instead we let a a bunch of foreign generals who like to look at maps and talk about "soft underbellies" tells us what to do. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:36 am |
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halil ......... people my generation and I am 40 now and those older than me have experienced war and the trauma assosictaed with it. Both TC's and GC's have suffered to some extend, some more some less but all had a similar experience. The psychological impact of war is one of fear, anxiety, anger, guilt, depression etc. What we need to be talking is not about who suffered more but how are we going to assist people acknoledge it and move on. I think these are the questions Talat and Christofias need to be addressing.
I believe that the blame, has to stop, everything that moves a direction away from unification needs to be stopped so that they can reach an agreement beneficial to all Cypriots. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:19 am |
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| humanist wrote: |
halil ......... people my generation and I am 40 now and those older than me have experienced war and the trauma assosictaed with it. Both TC's and GC's have suffered to some extend, some more some less but all had a similar experience. The psychological impact of war is one of fear, anxiety, anger, guilt, depression etc. What we need to be talking is not about who suffered more but how are we going to assist people acknoledge it and move on. I think these are the questions Talat and Christofias need to be addressing.
I believe that the blame, has to stop, everything that moves a direction away from unification needs to be stopped so that they can reach an agreement beneficial to all Cypriots. |
I agree with you on this one Andrea . we must stop blaming each other . have a look all the comments coming out from the forum . If the forum is full up with blames and trying to show only one side have to blame ,naturally reactiones comes out .
i am 50 Andrea , i have seen twice the war , i know how it is and how bad it is . I never wished to happen again .
I am full supporter of the talks . Our aims might be different but good points is both of us wanting peace . At this peace talks there must be no winner .They must find the ways to satisfay both sides .
I said at above our aims might be different ,let me explain this one to you .
your points are we must be united under the ROC .
mines are differ from you we must have BBF system . both sides must rule they are own states ,
at federal goverment they must work together with politicaly equal powers . |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:55 am |
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yasou halil,
I think there needs to be a winer all the people of Cyprus win win situation is the way to go.
okay I disagree but hey , that is your view and by the way I don't only support unification under the RoC have a nice day |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:14 pm |
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| halil wrote: |
| humanist wrote: |
halil ......... people my generation and I am 40 now and those older than me have experienced war and the trauma assosictaed with it. Both TC's and GC's have suffered to some extend, some more some less but all had a similar experience. The psychological impact of war is one of fear, anxiety, anger, guilt, depression etc. What we need to be talking is not about who suffered more but how are we going to assist people acknoledge it and move on. I think these are the questions Talat and Christofias need to be addressing.
I believe that the blame, has to stop, everything that moves a direction away from unification needs to be stopped so that they can reach an agreement beneficial to all Cypriots. |
I agree with you on this one Andrea . we must stop blaming each other . have a look all the comments coming out from the forum . If the forum is full up with blames and trying to show only one side have to blame ,naturally reactiones comes out .
i am 50 Andrea , i have seen twice the war , i know how it is and how bad it is . I never wished to happen again .
I am full supporter of the talks . Our aims might be different but good points is both of us wanting peace . At this peace talks there must be no winner .They must find the ways to satisfay both sides .
I said at above our aims might be different ,let me explain this one to you .
your points are we must be united under the ROC .
mines are differ from you we must have BBF system . both sides must rule they are own states ,
at federal goverment they must work together with politicaly equal powers . |
You just described a BBC halil, not a BBF. The above is a confederation. |
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