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| CopperLine |
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In the first place it is highly highly improbable that the TC community or its leadership would ask Turkey to leave. As many people have already pointed out the dependency - economic in particular - that has developed over the decades is a massive disincentive to issuing such a call. This is especially the case in the absence of a worked-out viable alternative (itself likely to be part of a negotiated comprehensive settlement).
Secondly, issuing such a call depends for its credibility on it arising from a more or less solid social base. What is that social base ? Sure, an inividual here or an 'ultra' party there can make this call and it will be immediately discounted as 'pissing in the wind'. Which section of TC society (supported by which section of GC society) is this call going to come from ? Again people have already noted on this Forum how TCs are in a numerical minority even in northern Cyprus and are on a demographic downward slope both in absolute and relative terms.
Third, of course is the form or content in which such a call would be framed. For example, is this a straight withdrawal or is it timetabled ? Is it without pre-conditions or is it subject to fulfilment of other requirements ? And so on.
Fourth, even if TCs made such a call the question of under what auspices such an action would take place is raised. That is to say, is this under UN, EU, OSCE, bi-ltaeral, etc auspices and how does it relate to the wider Cyprus negotiations.
Whilst I'm all for TC society making such calls it is nevertheless little more than wishful thinking if we do not consider the concrete reality that TCs have very little power in the situation. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:42 pm |
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| Good post CopperLine .... |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:56 pm |
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| Oracle wrote: |
And the TCs showed their true nationalist feelings for Turkey ... so they should just join them in Turkey, since they have no nationalist feelings for Cyprus....
We have nothing to gain from TCs ... they have a lot to gain from us. If we take them back, they should be grateful, after what they have done to us. |
Isn't that just the attitude that will ensure you will never live side by side as EQUALS? Really, Oracle!! Who in their right mind would want you a "neighbour" with that attitude? Thank God you are not the TRUE voice of people!!!  |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:04 pm |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:07 pm |
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hey , pantheman is clear to everyone that the only barbarian here is u. Why dont u make an attemp to discuss and use arguments instead of talking like a 5- year old school boy. I join this forum to discuss, if i wanted this level of discussion i would go to a kindergarden.
Nationalist my friend are in both sides, and i think u are on of them. anyway read history, and learn that we didnt just woke up one morning and the bad turks came. We caused the invasion, and we have caused much suffering to TC. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:12 pm |
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| alekcen wrote: |
hey , pantheman is clear to everyone that the only barbarian here is u. Why dont u make an attemp to discuss and use arguments instead of talking like a 5- year old school boy. I join this forum to discuss, if i wanted this level of discussion i would go to a kindergarden.
Nationalist my friend are in both sides, and i think u are on of them. anyway read history, and learn that we didnt just woke up one morning and the bad turks came. We caused the invasion, and we have caused much suffering to TC. |
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, says the Turk disguising as a GC !
We heard that tune a million times, now you sound just like Bananiot and the other turks on this forum.
So, whats new??? Hmmmm.
The fact is we have been invaded, raped, ethinically cleansed, land usurped, violated, human rights abused etc etc etc. You lot are still here 34 years on and for what? So that you can eventually turkify our island of course.
So tell me something I don't know. Idiot |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:14 pm |
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| alekcen wrote: |
hey , pantheman is clear to everyone that the only barbarian here is u. Why dont u make an attemp to discuss and use arguments instead of talking like a 5- year old school boy. I join this forum to discuss, if i wanted this level of discussion i would go to a kindergarden.
Nationalist my friend are in both sides, and i think u are on of them. anyway read history, and learn that we didnt just woke up one morning and the bad turks came. We caused the invasion, and we have caused much suffering to TC. |
We caused the invasion?...show me "turkey's=fascist state" mandate for the protection of only tcs...what about the slap in the face from "turkey=fascist state" to all the gcs that fought and died against the coupists...against enosis...tcs worst nightmare...didn't that count for anything?...As the situation unfolded, I guess not, hah?
Whats there to discuss?...in the words of donkeytash, even if there was no tcs in Cyprus, "turkey=fascist state" would have invaded anyway... |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:38 pm |
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| tessintrnc wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
And the TCs showed their true nationalist feelings for Turkey ... so they should just join them in Turkey, since they have no nationalist feelings for Cyprus....
We have nothing to gain from TCs ... they have a lot to gain from us. If we take them back, they should be grateful, after what they have done to us. |
Isn't that just the attitude that will ensure you will never live side by side as EQUALS? Really, Oracle!! Who in their right mind would want you a "neighbour" with that attitude? Thank God you are not the TRUE voice of people!!! |
the turks are a minority not Equals... they need to go back to asia where they came from, i wouldent wan to live side by side from the very people that invaded and split OUR island in two |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:40 pm |
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| Turkey would have invaded cause of our attitude and that we give them the reason to do so!!! I dont get ur point by saying about the people who died fighting against the coupist? what do u mean? the coop took place and the fascist got the power with cooperation with the Greek military junta and they had plans for enosis and ethnic cleansing of cyprus, thus turkey found the chance to invade ( a chance that they wanted from the 1963) and none of the foreign powers prevent them cause it was their right as a guarantor to intervene ( although the intervene not to restore order but to occupy which i disagree with) but the facts are facts, we cause it!!!! |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:43 pm |
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| paliometoxo |
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| their right? is that why only turkey recognises the so called trnc ? if it was legal and their right then TRNC today would be a LEGAL country.. nowhere does it say that turkey has a right to proclaim a turkish republic of northern cy... |
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