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Re: Kikapu .... Get Ready for a BIG BANG!

Postby zan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:26 pm

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:Next Wednesday the Large Hadron Collider gets fired up under Geneva. :D

Colliding protons will recreate events during the BIG BANG! 8)

Some theorists predict a mini Black Hole will be created which will grow and expand as it swallows up the universe around it. :shock:

From the land which gave us cheese with holes .... :lol:


How can a small black hole swallow the universe when there are black holes everywhere in the universe???


Yeah .. and who knows how MANY universes they swallowed up in the past :shock:

The Black Hole will start off the size of the smallest Higgs Boson then expand as it swallows up all that cheese and chocolate :shock:

Zan wrote:I saw the program on it and they are after finding the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson which apparently gives mass to particles and explains nearly all the physics we know. The chances of a black hole forming are pretty low. Some scientists are exited by not finding it as well because it will mean starting again.

Just thought that Stella might be after turning this a bit serious thats all!! :lol:


They don't know what will happen as this is a first!
Marie Curie used to carry radioactive samples in her pockets ... and she died of a radiation induced blood disorder.

Physicists don't know everything! :roll:

Just because someone speculates the existence of a subatomic particle like Higgs with his Boson ... it doesn't mean we can charge in bombarding protons together.

Anyway I want a subatomic particle named after me too ..... 8) ... You can have the Zan Moanon :lol:



With Marie Curie....Thats what will happen when you let a mad woman who knows nothing about physics loose with a pretty shinny thing :lol:
Remind me how much she knew about modern physics again?? :arrow:



Don't you think that we are in a much better informed position today to predict the results???


I would allow the lady to go first in having her name in lights...Albeit subatomic size........Stella Bozone sounds good to me 8) :lol:
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Re: Kikapu .... Get Ready for a BIG BANG!

Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:06 pm

zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:Next Wednesday the Large Hadron Collider gets fired up under Geneva. :D

Colliding protons will recreate events during the BIG BANG! 8)

Some theorists predict a mini Black Hole will be created which will grow and expand as it swallows up the universe around it. :shock:

From the land which gave us cheese with holes .... :lol:


How can a small black hole swallow the universe when there are black holes everywhere in the universe???


Yeah .. and who knows how MANY universes they swallowed up in the past :shock:

The Black Hole will start off the size of the smallest Higgs Boson then expand as it swallows up all that cheese and chocolate :shock:

Zan wrote:I saw the program on it and they are after finding the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson which apparently gives mass to particles and explains nearly all the physics we know. The chances of a black hole forming are pretty low. Some scientists are exited by not finding it as well because it will mean starting again.

Just thought that Stella might be after turning this a bit serious thats all!! :lol:


They don't know what will happen as this is a first!
Marie Curie used to carry radioactive samples in her pockets ... and she died of a radiation induced blood disorder.

Physicists don't know everything! :roll:

Just because someone speculates the existence of a subatomic particle like Higgs with his Boson ... it doesn't mean we can charge in bombarding protons together.

Anyway I want a subatomic particle named after me too ..... 8) ... You can have the Zan Moanon :lol:



With Marie Curie....Thats what will happen when you let a mad woman who knows nothing about physics loose with a pretty shinny thing :lol:
Remind me how much she knew about modern physics again?? :arrow:



Don't you think that we are in a much better informed position today to predict the results???

I would allow the lady to go first in having her name in lights...Albeit subatomic size........Stella Bozone sounds good to me 8) :lol:



This is an experiment, fundamentally unpredictable. The possibility of creating a Black hole is a hazard, albeit it small.

But I am all for them going ahead ..... who knows they may annihilate the Zan Creton and release all sorts of Gooey matter! :lol:
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Re: Kikapu .... Get Ready for a BIG BANG!

Postby zan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:20 pm

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:Next Wednesday the Large Hadron Collider gets fired up under Geneva. :D

Colliding protons will recreate events during the BIG BANG! 8)

Some theorists predict a mini Black Hole will be created which will grow and expand as it swallows up the universe around it. :shock:

From the land which gave us cheese with holes .... :lol:


How can a small black hole swallow the universe when there are black holes everywhere in the universe???


Yeah .. and who knows how MANY universes they swallowed up in the past :shock:

The Black Hole will start off the size of the smallest Higgs Boson then expand as it swallows up all that cheese and chocolate :shock:

Zan wrote:I saw the program on it and they are after finding the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson which apparently gives mass to particles and explains nearly all the physics we know. The chances of a black hole forming are pretty low. Some scientists are exited by not finding it as well because it will mean starting again.

Just thought that Stella might be after turning this a bit serious thats all!! :lol:


They don't know what will happen as this is a first!
Marie Curie used to carry radioactive samples in her pockets ... and she died of a radiation induced blood disorder.

Physicists don't know everything! :roll:

Just because someone speculates the existence of a subatomic particle like Higgs with his Boson ... it doesn't mean we can charge in bombarding protons together.

Anyway I want a subatomic particle named after me too ..... 8) ... You can have the Zan Moanon :lol:



With Marie Curie....Thats what will happen when you let a mad woman who knows nothing about physics loose with a pretty shinny thing :lol:
Remind me how much she knew about modern physics again?? :arrow:



Don't you think that we are in a much better informed position today to predict the results???

I would allow the lady to go first in having her name in lights...Albeit subatomic size........Stella Bozone sounds good to me 8) :lol:



This is an experiment, fundamentally unpredictable. The possibility of creating a Black hole is a hazard, albeit it small.

But I am all for them going ahead ..... who knows they may annihilate the Zan Creton and release all sorts of Gooey matter! :lol:


There were some people that thought the A Bomb would set off a chain reaction that would engulf the world but it didn't. Calculations proved right.

What I don't understand is a black hole is formed when a star becomes so dense, space and time cannot contain it any longer. Can a single partical be that dense (mass heavy) that it does the same thing.....

I have also been thinking if, by this relatively new theory about gravity existing in another dimension and leaking through to ours, whether a black hole is a rip in between dimensions.

By the way...I thought the general consensus was that black holes created matter and swallowed up anti matter. They made our universe not swallowed them up....Thats the way I read it anyway... :?
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Re: Kikapu .... Get Ready for a BIG BANG!

Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:39 pm

zan wrote:There were some people that thought the A Bomb would set off a chain reaction that would engulf the world but it didn't. Calculations proved right.

What I don't understand is a black hole is formed when a star becomes so dense, space and time cannot contain it any longer. Can a single partical be that dense (mass heavy) that it does the same thing.....


I thought Bosons were one of the Forces that held things together ... so when created they fall apart in a Big Bang which has Black Holes as a by-product :?

It's wave theory versus particle theory I guess :? ... let alone Quantum theory :roll: (Gosh physicists create so much Uncertainty ... that they constantly need funding :roll: )

It's an ever changing field and I didn't see the programme on the latest take, so I'll need to read round the subject ... later!

Zan wrote:I have also been thinking if, by this relatively new theory about gravity existing in another dimension and leaking through to ours, whether a black hole is a rip in between dimensions.


Well I thought gravity was an inherent force of mass ... :?

Zan wrote:By the way...I thought the general consensus was that black holes created matter and swallowed up anti matter. They made our universe not swallowed them up....Thats the way I read it anyway... :?


Black holes have such a strong gravitational pull that they even swallow light ... hence why they look black (but where does it go?) ... so presumably they would swallow us up, as they created another universe, if that is what is inside them .... :?

Ask your son please .....
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Re: Kikapu .... Get Ready for a BIG BANG!

Postby zan » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:01 pm

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:There were some people that thought the A Bomb would set off a chain reaction that would engulf the world but it didn't. Calculations proved right.

What I don't understand is a black hole is formed when a star becomes so dense, space and time cannot contain it any longer. Can a single partical be that dense (mass heavy) that it does the same thing.....


I thought Bosons were one of the Forces that held things together ... so when created they fall apart in a Big Bang which has Black Holes as a by-product :?

It's wave theory versus particle theory I guess :? ... let alone Quantum theory :roll: (Gosh physicists create so much Uncertainty ... that they constantly need funding :roll: )

It's an ever changing field and I didn't see the programme on the latest take, so I'll need to read round the subject ... later!

Zan wrote:I have also been thinking if, by this relatively new theory about gravity existing in another dimension and leaking through to ours, whether a black hole is a rip in between dimensions.


Well I thought gravity was an inherent force of mass ... :?

Zan wrote:By the way...I thought the general consensus was that black holes created matter and swallowed up anti matter. They made our universe not swallowed them up....Thats the way I read it anyway... :?


Black holes have such a strong gravitational pull that they even swallow light ... hence why they look black (but where does it go?) ... so presumably they would swallow us up, as they created another universe, if that is what is inside them .... :?

Ask your son please .....



My son hasn't quite got that far yet.. :lol:


Bosons seem to be what gives particles mass yes, so I guess then gravity would take over and hold them together...I think! I don't think you can have a black hole without Bosons because then you would have no gravity to create one...would you :?

As for gravity...It is now thought that it exists only in another dimension and leaks through to ours, as I said. They use this explanation to make up for the fact that gravity is such a weak force compared to other forces created in the Big Bang. With gravity being so weak it does not fit into the map, so to speak. So another dimension is pulling at our particles and when they become too dense for a given space in our universe, then the pull is so great that it creates a Black Hole.


Now, apparently, anti matter is more attractive to Black Holes and therefore can be sucked in from a greater distance than matter so what you get left with is an abundance of matter that litters our universe. Yes they will swallow ANYTHING that comes within its pull, as well as light but anti matter is the key. They found jets of matter spewing out into space for millions of miles on either side of its magnetic poles.

Steven Hawkings believes that there is nothing inside a Black hole. It has no mass. Instead, and I don't quite understand this, there is a "Singularity" that destroys everything that falls into it. I still cant get my mind around the fact it destroys everything and still grows???? That is why I came up with the " Rip in dimensions"....That way the rip gets bigger and needs no mass and stops my brain from hurting :? :lol:
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Postby Floda » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:10 pm

Obama has got a black hole.
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Postby humanist » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:47 pm

what colour's your Floda?
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:58 pm

Very exciting times but do be aware that it will take months and probably years of experiments and analysis following the switch on of this remarkable machine before we get conclusions.

There are three great hopes for this colossus given the ball-park increase in energy levels over other machines. Scientists should be able to test and confirm (or otherwise) some accepted theories:-

1. Anti-matter - there is no anti-matter around nowadays. At Big Bang matter and anti-matter were around in equal quantities but only the matter that you and I and everything else are made of remains. The LHC will examine the relative rates of decay of matter and anti-matter to confirm the results of other experiments.

2. Mass - As said by some above - The LHC should be able to confirm the existence of the Higgs Field which gives matter mass by finding the associated Higgs particle.

For me the biggy would be
3. Finding the missing matter - as I'm sure all will be aware some 90% of the matter needed to hold the universe together is not accounted for. The LHC may be able to confirm a theory known as super-symmetry by finding super-sized partners to the known particles.

For those with an interest this is a brief introduction to the "standard model" of particle physics in a few paragraphs:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A666173
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Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:41 pm

This youtube presents the Experiment in a stoical, no-nonsense, you-won't-feel-a-thing capacity ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A
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Postby T_C » Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:14 pm

Raymanoff wrote:maybe a joke for a limited group of people... but who ever played HalfLife will appreciate it :)


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:shock: He really does look like Gordon Freeman. :lol:

Could it be a sign? :?

Thats how it all went wrong in Half-Life too. Let's not forget what curiosity did to the cat...
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