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Re: Religious intolerance in “modern” Greece…

Postby Lit » Wed May 27, 2009 6:26 am

Get Real! wrote:
This is the tip of the iceberg of religious intolerance in Greece but time does not permit to show it all. What’s important is that now we know that among other things, being “Hellenic” means having religious intolerance but stay tuned as we explore “Hellenism” even further in the next article where the REAL HELLENIC DEAL is gradually uncovered…


Regards, GR.


A lot of these drivel GR! posts like the one above and the ridiculous one about Crete are stuff he reproduced from a Slavic forum called "Maknews". Its a FYROM website which i just recently visited and it appears that a lot of these revisionist FYRoM slavs who consider Alexander the Great as their direct ancestor are up in arms over this website:

http://macedonia-evidence.org/

I found it browsing the maknews website (thank you GR!) and that site above has rattled the Skoje government. The site was created by Scholars that dismiss Skopje's claims as 'silliness' in a letter to Obama.

Literally hundreds of prestigious academics from around the globe have dismissed the Skopian claims:

http://macedonia-evidence.org/

Again, these are the same claims that GR! loves to reproduce in this forum. This website:

http://macedonia-evidence.org/

Has also made it in the Greek news.....read about it here:

http://www.ana.gr/anaweb/user/showplain ... ervice=142

Here is a quote:

A group of some 200-plus prestigious academics, for the main part historians and Classicists teaching at the most renowned universities in the world - including the likes of Oxford, Cambridge, Princeton, Stanford, Vassar, College de France and hundreds of others in the United States and Europe - have sent a letter to U.S. President Barack Obama asking him to intervene to "clean up the historical debris" left by the previous U.S. administration's policy on the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).

According to those signing the letter - including widely read authors on ancient Greece and Alexander like Paul Cartledge, Steven H. Rutledge and Robin Lane Fox - Skopje's claims to a Macedonian descent of its Slavic population and its "misappropriation" of Alexander the Great as the country's national hero are a "subversion of history".

"On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the "Republic of Macedonia." This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact, but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander the Great.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 27, 2009 7:11 am

What on earth are you on about? How is this bogus Greek website pretending to be “Macedonian scholars”, relevant to Greece’s intolerance of non-orthodox religions in accordance with the thread title?

The more you kick and scream the more I know that some of us are doing a good job in debunking the world’s biggest masqueraders…

Btw, GR does not “reproduce” anything so get your facts right. I always produce evidence in the form of links and images to back everything I write about, and you always have the chance to counter it but if you can’t even figure out what each thread is talking about and get everything mixed up that’s your problem…
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Postby Get Real! » Wed May 27, 2009 7:14 am

Oracle wrote:I think it's high time everyone followed Greece's example (always at the forefront) and educated these fantasy dwellers to accept scientific evidence and morals based on logical reasoning instead of ancient books from obscure sources ...

I don't know if I should laugh at you or cry for you... :lol:
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Postby Lit » Wed May 27, 2009 7:16 am

Get Real! wrote:What on earth are you on about? How is this bogus Greek website pretending to be “Macedonian scholars”, relevant to Greece’s intolerance of non-orthodox religions in accordance with the thread title?

The more you kick and scream the more I know that some of us are doing a good job in debunking the world’s biggest masqueraders…

Btw, GR does not “reproduce” anything so get your facts right. I always produce evidence in the form of links and images to back everything I write about, and you always have the chance to counter it but if you can’t even figure out what each thread is talking about and get everything mixed up that’s your problem…


Ahh stfu :lol:

reread my previous post...maybe you will get it this time.
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Re: Religious intolerance in “modern” Greece…

Postby DT. » Wed May 27, 2009 9:47 am

Get Real! wrote:The “Proud to be Hellenic” series presents:

Religious intolerance in “modern” Greece…

Greece keeps the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) very busy and particularly when it comes to religious tolerance where hardly a faith or denomination may compete against the “righteous” local Orthodox barons…


European Court of Human Rights: Jehovah's Witnesses Vs Greece
http://www.jw-media.org/rights/european_court.htm

Another European Religious Liberty Case Decided Against Greece
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Larissis.htm

European Court of Human Rights: Georgiadis v. Greece
http://www.religlaw.org/template.php?id=138

European Court of Human Rights: CASE OF THE CANEA CATHOLIC CHURCH v. GREECE
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Greece.htm

Discrimination: European Roma Rights Centre v. Greece
http://www.crin.org/Law/instrument.asp?InstID=1180

Religious Freedom in Greece
http://agis10.tripod.com/id3.html


This is the tip of the iceberg of religious intolerance in Greece but time does not permit to show it all. What’s important is that now we know that among other things, being “Hellenic” means having religious intolerance but stay tuned as we explore “Hellenism” even further in the next article where the REAL HELLENIC DEAL is gradually uncovered…


Regards, GR.


Lets start with your first case which is Kokkinakis Vs Greece. A jehovah's witness who demands the right to visit people's homes and harass them till they agree to listen.

The judgement really comes down to this point

"the court found that "freedom to manifest one's religion . . . includes in principle the right to try to convince one's neighbour."

All for religious rights however I'd want to see a law in Cyprus which allows me to shoot any Jehovah's witnesses who take one step on my property. I don't care if you're buddhist, muslim, christian or martian...you come to my house and try to sell me your religion, I'll fire.

Back to GR! If Cyprus had a law like this you'd be the first to applaud. Just so happens you are now sensitive to these home delivery messengers of god because Greece did it.

http://www.religlaw.org/template.php?id=182

"[The defendants], who belong to the Jehovah's Witnesses
sect, attempted to proselytise and, directly or indirectly, to
intrude on the religious beliefs of Orthodox Christians, with
the intention of undermining those beliefs, by taking
advantage of their inexperience, their low intellect and their
naïvety. In particular, they went to the home of
[Mrs Kyriakaki] ... and told her that they brought good news;
by insisting in a pressing manner, they gained admittance to
the house and began to read from a book on the Scriptures
which they interpreted with reference to a king of heaven, to
events which had not yet occurred but would occur, etc.,
encouraging her by means of their judicious, skilful
explanations ... to change her Orthodox Christian beliefs."
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Postby Oracle » Wed May 27, 2009 9:48 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:I think it's high time everyone followed Greece's example (always at the forefront) and educated these fantasy dwellers to accept scientific evidence and morals based on logical reasoning instead of ancient books from obscure sources ...

I don't know if I should laugh at you or cry for you... :lol:


You can light me a candle next time you go to Church :lol: ...
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Re: Religious intolerance in “modern” Greece…

Postby DT. » Wed May 27, 2009 10:00 am

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The “Proud to be Hellenic” series presents:

Religious intolerance in “modern” Greece…

Greece keeps the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) very busy and particularly when it comes to religious tolerance where hardly a faith or denomination may compete against the “righteous” local Orthodox barons…


European Court of Human Rights: Jehovah's Witnesses Vs Greece
http://www.jw-media.org/rights/european_court.htm

Another European Religious Liberty Case Decided Against Greece
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Larissis.htm

European Court of Human Rights: Georgiadis v. Greece
http://www.religlaw.org/template.php?id=138

European Court of Human Rights: CASE OF THE CANEA CATHOLIC CHURCH v. GREECE
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/Greece.htm

Discrimination: European Roma Rights Centre v. Greece
http://www.crin.org/Law/instrument.asp?InstID=1180

Religious Freedom in Greece
http://agis10.tripod.com/id3.html


This is the tip of the iceberg of religious intolerance in Greece but time does not permit to show it all. What’s important is that now we know that among other things, being “Hellenic” means having religious intolerance but stay tuned as we explore “Hellenism” even further in the next article where the REAL HELLENIC DEAL is gradually uncovered…


Regards, GR.


Lets start with your first case which is Kokkinakis Vs Greece. A jehovah's witness who demands the right to visit people's homes and harass them till they agree to listen.

The judgement really comes down to this point

"the court found that "freedom to manifest one's religion . . . includes in principle the right to try to convince one's neighbour."

All for religious rights however I'd want to see a law in Cyprus which allows me to shoot any Jehovah's witnesses who take one step on my property. I don't care if you're buddhist, muslim, christian or martian...you come to my house and try to sell me your religion, I'll fire.

Back to GR! If Cyprus had a law like this you'd be the first to applaud. Just so happens you are now sensitive to these home delivery messengers of god because Greece did it.

http://www.religlaw.org/template.php?id=182

"[The defendants], who belong to the Jehovah's Witnesses
sect, attempted to proselytise and, directly or indirectly, to
intrude on the religious beliefs of Orthodox Christians, with
the intention of undermining those beliefs, by taking
advantage of their inexperience, their low intellect and their
naïvety. In particular, they went to the home of
[Mrs Kyriakaki] ... and told her that they brought good news;
by insisting in a pressing manner, they gained admittance to
the house and began to read from a book on the Scriptures
which they interpreted with reference to a king of heaven, to
events which had not yet occurred but would occur, etc.,
encouraging her by means of their judicious, skilful
explanations ... to change her Orthodox Christian beliefs."


BTW can anyone tell me where those Kingdom of God guys on bikes cycle to all day?

ANyway, with regards to the 2nd case, Greece was taken to court because 2 airmen were forced to listen to their superior officer who was proselytising. :roll:

A certain Mr F. GÖLCÜKLÜ, President of the court at the time was of course unbiased in his approach to the case.

I can see it now, GR! going in for reservist training having to stand to attention while his superior force feeds him salvation according to Jehovah and takes it without
1) Punching him
2) Cursing him
3) Slapping him with a lawsuit :lol:
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Re: Religious intolerance in “modern” Greece…

Postby Get Real! » Wed May 27, 2009 10:01 am

DT. wrote:Lets start with your first case which is Kokkinakis Vs Greece. A jehovah's witness who demands the right to visit people's homes and harass them till they agree to listen.

The judgement really comes down to this point

"the court found that "freedom to manifest one's religion . . . includes in principle the right to try to convince one's neighbour."

It’s called “door to door canvassing” DT, a method used by sales people, political parties, religious movements, and many others for a wide range of reasons, but at the end of the day the house occupant is in full control by saying “Thanks, but no thanks!”.

I see no reason why door to door canvassing for religious purposes should be made illegal in an EU country, but legal for political reasons or any other... that's religious discrimination!

Hence the thread… religious intolerance in Greece! :)
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Re: Religious intolerance in “modern” Greece…

Postby DT. » Wed May 27, 2009 10:08 am

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:Lets start with your first case which is Kokkinakis Vs Greece. A jehovah's witness who demands the right to visit people's homes and harass them till they agree to listen.

The judgement really comes down to this point

"the court found that "freedom to manifest one's religion . . . includes in principle the right to try to convince one's neighbour."

It’s called “door to door canvassing” DT, a method used by sales people, political parties, religious movements, and many others for a wide range of reasons, but at the end of the day the house occupant is in full control by saying Thanks, but no thanks!”.

I see no reason why door to door canvassing for religious purposes should be made illegal in an EU country, but legal for political reasons or any other... that's religious discrimination!

Hence the thread… religious intolerance in Greece! :)


Please see above...does the soldier get to say stop talking sir?
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Postby ahristos » Thu May 28, 2009 9:26 am

NOT TRUE
go to www.dolnet.gr
TA NEA
JUSTICE HAS LET FREE BRITISH TURIST S
WHO HAVE VIOLATE RELIGIONS ......ARTICLES......
AND HAVE DISTURB LOCALS IN CRETE...
THEY ARE FREE ... THIS CLOVNES
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