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[T_C]

If you sign an agreement they will most often just violate it later and stonewall in the international community with lies and deception (muslim taqiyya(Turkish Takiyye) or concealment).

Sorry but this is what the GCs are likely to do.(...AGAIN!!!! )

[Piratis]

Oracle,

That's more like it. Thank you.

I like you better this way. Although I understand why you may think I could be a TC, believe me when I say that I am not - in any way. My views may slightly differ from yours, probably due to my bad experiences with the Turks (old age), but that shouldn't prevent us from any compromise.

Cheers.

Andros, you could be anything except a Greek Cypriot. In just about every post you write there are clues pointing to this fact. I am not going to tell to you which are those clues because I don't want to help you to become better in what you do. Just know that neither you nor your leadership can fool us.

If you want an 18%-82% partition then withdraw your troops from the remaining of the island and then we will talk about it. Until then don't expect from RoC to negotiate its sovereignty over the whole island.

[Bananiot]

Piratis, you can smell them from a mile. That's my boy!

[DT.]

Piratis, you can smell them from a mile. That's my boy!

no need for sarcasm Bananiot. Andros is a partitionist and Piratis says he's probably Turkish. I seem to recall you labelling partionists as fascists and pavement patriots.

[Piratis]

Piratis, you can smell them from a mile. That's my boy!

On the other hand you can't see further than your nose.

[Bananiot]

But ... you are the arch partitionist yourself, Piratis. You want the situation to stay as it is (which will not of course, it will only get worse) but you fail to understand that as things are today, partition reigns.

[Oracle]

Oracle,

About your Question regarding the "Two Founding States". It's not necessarily the official statements that concern me, but more of the "Idea" and perception that "Two Founding States" is the new platform - know what I mean. For instance, the 1992 Ghalis Set of Ideas with basically based on two founding states, and also the former more recent Annan Plan. There is no smoke without fire.

Here is only a few of the many references where I read it - hope that I am wrong!

(1)
http://www.quantara.de/webcom/show_arti ... SID=133099

(2)
http://www.cbw.cz/en/will-cyprus-unific ... /8556.html

(3)
http://www.angus-reid.com/tracker/view/16630

(4)
http://babs22.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/ ... in-cyprus/


By the way, although I am feeling much better, I am still in hospital sitting on my bed with a laptop. Naturally, I can say that I am at the University College Hospital in London, but nothing more. You never know who's reading this! Thank you for your kind words.

Regards,
Andros.

I take it you are now feeling stronger, and well able to face criticism!

In which case, your eclectic selection of links demonstrates amply that whether you are Turk or not, your preferences and your support, are for the good of the Turkish enemy, and not for what is the rightful solution for Cyprus.

You are trying to sow seeds to suggest the Cypriot side accepts two "founding" states are moving towards a final solution, when no such agreement has been forged.

Presumptuous Andros!

[Piratis]

But ... you are the arch partitionist yourself, Piratis. You want the situation to stay as it is (which will not of course, it will only get worse) but you fail to understand that as things are today, partition reigns.

What we have today is a de facto illegal partition. This is not what I want or what I accept, this is what is forced by the Turkish invaders. So how can you call me partitionist?

On the other hand you accept a de jure partition. Therefore you are clearly the partitionist.

[Piratis]

In which case, your eclectic selection of links demonstrates amply that whether you are Turk or not, your preferences and your support, are for the good of the Turkish enemy, and not for what is the rightful solution for Cyprus.

I didn't bother to check his links this time, but I remember that some time ago he was trying to explain the meaning of federation by posting articles belonging to the Tamil Tigers, the separatists of Sri Lanka.

[Andros]

Bananiot and Piratis,

I am disappointed in both of you. If it's meticulous facts that you are picking on, I am sure we (the true Greek Cypriots around me at the moment) could dig up many mistakes you both have made in your postings. However, that's not the real issue is it? I am sure that you can not take it when a fellow GC writes, and argues better than you both on an open forum like this. You may dabble a little in this forum with a few lines here or there, but ultimately, you have not really built our Greek Cypriot case very well in defending our "higher" rights - in a realistic way!

For example, you gave the 18-82% ratio as a failure on my behalf - How intelligent!. Yes, we both know that this is a fact, but to realistically expect the Turkish Cypriots to back off and accept such a figure is to FUEL their 30 year time WASTING tactic, thus gearing for their so-called recognition of the TRNC after another resounding "NO" in the polls of a future Cyprus plan. In other words, the more you play the TURKISH GAME, the hard it will be to convince the international community that Cyprus is one! Get it???? Probably Not!

Also, have you both ever wondered why the Turks have never been ORDERED back from their occupied 37%?Let me see now, and, I'll explain this to you both like a FIVE year OLD!

BECAUSE THE TURKS WANT A CONFRONTATION, THEN THEY WILL USE THAT BASIS AS PROOF THAT WE CAN NOT LIVE UNDER ONE ROOF. THEREFORE, PROVING THAT THEIR INVASION OF 1974 WAS A necesity! Get it????

The more we go on about the 18%, 1974 and etc, etc, the more the Turks use this as fuel on an already unwaterable fire! You are both playing into their game. So, please don't patronise me in believing that you have caught me out, as that is BS, and you both know it.

I know what the TCs are playing at, and similar to what PRESIDENT CHRISTOFIAS knows, time is running out. If we don't compromise on REALISTIC figures acceptable to both sides today; for example, we say 18% and the TCs say 30%, then I would guess a compromise would be about 23%? then we will ultimately lose 37%.

Remember, since the Annan Plan, the following has been achieved:
1)Direct Boat trips to Syria
2)More "TRNC" offices in foriegn countries, like Italy!
3)BMW dealership only being in the Occupied area
4)Vodaphone license award as "Northern Cyprus, Turkey"
5)Building of 4 5 Star international hotels under Turkish License
6)and many more EU Direct trade practices not mentioned in the public press.

The above are undisputed, and are actually happening. Or, are you going to use those points above to say that I am a Turkish Cypriot as well - Get real man.

AGREED partition is the only way, you'll see. You'll also notice that President Christofias will eventually have to Shelve the "Federation" idea (as Turkey has gained major backing for its former Annan Plan basis and now its "Founding States") and revert to a Two State Agreed Paritition base.

But,

By then, the so-called "TRNC" will, because of people like you, be award some kind of "Taiwanisation" status - as mentioned many times in recent history. Our problem is more serious than you can possible imagine, especially now that our weak President has re-kicked off UN talks with the Turkish Cypriots - Turkey must have been laughing their heads off when this was agreed by President Christofias, what a fool to have landed straight in the hands of Turkey. Like what Get Real said, we should have ignored the Turkish Cypriots like Papadopoulos did. At least that way the international community would have applied pressure on Turkey to COMPROMISE, and not the other way around as it is today. Now that they are both in dual UN talks, President Christofias can not just WALK away!!! But will have to put Closure on the subject. And, we know that the Turkish Cypriots will expect ANY plan as they are hungry for change, while we'll obviously REJECT a UN plan, therefore leaving the Cyprus situation in Tatters.

Bananiot and Piratis, be careful in what you say on this forum as there are many others who are reading this from higher levels - especially from the Turkish quarter. They now know our weaknesses thanks to people like you.

How sad.

Ps. - Remember, AGREED Parition is NOT what the Turks really want. THEY want us to SAY NO in a UN Plan and then force the Recognition of the so-called TRNC - you must be dumb not to know that.