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All I am saying is that it would imo been a lot better for all of us today if GC had cosidered themselves Cyriots or GC and not Greeks and wanted and worked for an independent Cypriot nation and not ENOSIS.

...but up until 1960, Cyprus was just another culturaly Greek land under foregin occupation. Thats the same as asking Greeks from Crete to call themselves Cretans and not Greeks. Why should we denounce our ethinicity!?
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[Murtaza]

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..and you really believe even if there was no intercommunal violance and the GC and TC were in harmony, Turkey would still have not found an excuse to invade!? Another, reason why GC wanted union with Greece. [quote]

I dont know much about cyprus issue. But words looks like absolutely wrong.

Firstly you accuse Turkey with the something that not happened. and with this accusation you are trying to justify what you did.

Lets think, Turkey think Greece will attack Turkey, and because of this We want to attack Greece. Sorry but this is just a stupid excuse.

And GC think Turkey would attack them, So they want to union with greece.Sorry this is just another stupid excuse.

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I dont know much about cyprus issue.

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[Murtaza]

I dont know much about cyprus issue.

nuff said.

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This is related with Turkey my friend:) And I know Turkey.
No I think Turkey would not attack, If there wasnt killing.

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If thats what you think, then your either in denial or on drugs.

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All I am saying is that it would imo been a lot better for all of us today if GC had cosidered themselves Cyriots or GC and not Greeks and wanted and worked for an independent Cypriot nation and not ENOSIS.

...but up until 1960, Cyprus was just another culturaly Greek land under foregin occupation. Thats the same as asking Greeks from Crete to call themselves Cretans and not Greeks. Why should we denounce our ethinicity!?

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Cyrpus was (and still is) an island with a majority population that considered itself culturaly Greek and a (significant) minority population that did not. That even now you ignore this significant minority population as if it did not exists at all is kind of worrying to me. Also my understanding is that there were many significant differences between Cyprus and Crete in terms of their 'natural' attachement to being a part of the modern Greek state?
Where am I saying you should denouce your cutural heritage? What I said is that if there had been a desire to build a unifed Cypriot nation rather than a desire to annex Cyprus to Greece in the 1960's we might all be living in a happy peacful unifed prosperous independent Cypriot nation today. Then again we might not. GC deciding they are Cypriot first does not require a denouncing of their Greek cultural roots imo.

[Murtaza]

If thats what you think, then your either in denial or on drugs.

I dont think Bulent Ecevit would attack Cyprus, If there is not killing.
In fact I think Bulent Ecevit decision about attack is just for emotional.

He is not a good politician.He made this other times too.
Because of his emotional action, Turkey encounter an economical crises(Most worst crises in Turkish history), a amnesty (Still criminals are triping at our streets.) , a coup(With the help of Demirel), and he refused EU when we have chance to join.

In fact He is a poetry and a romantic. but not a good politician.

Also You are accusing Turkey for everthing,even She didnt do, or for your wish for enosis.(With this type of psychology, You cannt improve yourself much. This gives most harm to GC , TC; Not Turkey or Greece.)


There is nothing wrong to wish Enosis.
If I am a greek I would wish it too.
But force balance didnt favour you.

Ethically I dont see any wrong for wishing Enosis.
I dont see any wrong TC resist Enosis.

[achilles]

Ethically I dont see any wrong for wishing Enosis.
I dont see any wrong TC resist Enosis.

You dont see anything wrong with a Turko-TC enosis that would be actually the outcome of a vulgar and illegall invasion, which you, and others, shamelessly call 'humanitarian intervention'? Disputes and ethnic conflicts CAN be resolved through diplomacy you know, 99% of the times.

Either way you look at it, mother Turkey has no place on the island whatsoever. And Enosis with Greece has become an utopia long time ago. Why should Cyprus be unified with the Greek mainland anyway? It seems to be a way more functional independent state the way it is, and this comment comes from a Greek-Greek

All in all, if what you said was to come true, we would all have a dischotomized Cyprus and hence an eternal unresolvable low-intensity conflict (or not so low). Do you still not see anything wrong with any sort of Enosis?

[Murtaza]

Ethically I dont see any wrong for wishing Enosis.
I dont see any wrong TC resist Enosis.

You dont see anything wrong with a Turko-TC enosis that would be actually the outcome of a vulgar and illegall invasion, which you, and others, shamelessly call 'humanitarian intervention'? Disputes and ethnic conflicts CAN be resolved through diplomacy you know, 99% of the times.

If GC accept this why not?

Just as I said I dont know much about cyprus issues. I dont know did Turkey tried enough diplomatic way or not. So cant answer this.
But I know Turkey well, and the cost of war was big for us.
As I know Invasion is not illegal. Occupation looks like illegal. Again dont know about cyprus. I wont discuss Cyprus issues. But can discuss Turkey motives. And I see mostly you accuse Turkey for everything.

You are accusing Turkey again, For something She didnt."Turko-TC enosis "

You should at least stop to accuse for things She didnt do

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Either way you look at it, mother Turkey has no place on the island whatsoever. And Enosis with Greece has become an utopia long time ago. Why should Cyprus be unified with the Greek mainland anyway? It seems to be a way more functional independent state the way it is, and this comment comes from a Greek-Greek [/quote]

So your wish. I dont say Cyprus should be join with Greece.
But wish is not unethical. If TC accept is why not?

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All in all, if what you said was to come true, we would all have a dischotomized Cyprus and hence an eternal unresolvable low-intensity conflict (or not so low). Do you still not see anything wrong with any sort of Enosis?[/quote]

No. Infact problem is not to wish Enosis, problem is try to do it with unlegal and unethical ways.

[achilles]

You are accusing Turkey again, For something She didnt."Turko-TC enosis ".

You should at least stop to accuse for things She didnt do

Where and when exactly did i accusse Turkey for that thing? I accusse Turkey wholeheartedly for dichotomizing the island for its own benefit, which never came apparently. Dischotomizing is one thing, and Enosis is another. Quite the opposite.

No. Infact problem is not to wish Enosis, problem is try to do it with unlegal and unethical ways.

I dont know which illegal and unethical ways you refer to, but i would pressume that Turkey's vulgar and illegal invasion of 1974 does not bother you that much. Double standards?