The Cyprus Problem for Dummies .....
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| boomerang |
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| BirKibrisli wrote: |
you know something? i couldn't be bothered replying to any of you with hearts filled with hatred and desire for revenge...I can feel your hatred and your need to dominate and oppress the TCs a mile away...Back in the bad old days of empires,empires did what empires did best...conquered other lands and other people...Alexander the Great did it,theRomans did it,the Greeks did it,the French and the German and the British did it...But nowhere in history have the people subjected to these empires felt so much hatred for so long for the innocent people who were the biggest victims of the Empires,those forced to come along and do the dirty work of the empires,and who were abandoned and left behind to hold the can...There must be something truly wrong with those of you who can be so blinkered in your opinions,so stubborn to believe your own propaganda...You can be very proud of yourselves...And very proud of your parents who have passed it all onto you...And very proud of your Church who still today meddles with your minds and your hearts...There will never be a solution...Cypriots will never be one people one nation...
We deserve what we get,divided and ruled by the big boys forever...Enjoy your division,your partition,and your final act of stupidity which is inevitable...I will just watch it from a distance, a long distance,and shake my head at your senseless,pointless,dastardly acts of folly...  |
yeap...all about revenge huh?....an apatheid system, you know the one you support, will always bring out the worst in people bir...this is the point you are not getting...i will support a bbf...a federation same as in OZ...but I can hear you from miles away, but our history blah blah...as if our history is unique or the greatest miscarriage of justice done in the whole wide world...yeah i know in your little mind i support enosis, and my paresnts brainwashed me...ffs...
you need to seriously embrace the 21st century dude...it has changed... 
I asked you before and no answer...have you been taught anything living in OZ all these years?...but i know as usual your silence is deafening... |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:53 pm |
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| Get Real! |
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| BirKibrisli wrote: |
| Depressing as it might be,there is one clear message from this tread...for some GCs,probably the majority,the TCs will always remain as Ottoman remnants,the reminders of the dark and oppressive times... |
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck… it must be a duck! Pure genius! 
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| Moderates like myself,Pyro,miltiades,Bananiot,Kikapu,Mikkie,DT,Deniz,Nikitas,Kifeas,and a few others I might've forgotten to mention are bound to be very disappointed in the end... |
There’s no such thing as “moderates”! People like you are just pushing for the undemocratic agenda of the gradual Turkification of Cyprus. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:31 pm |
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| I am still waiting your replies piratis... |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:28 pm |
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| Pyrpolizer wrote: |
| Piratis wrote: |
| BirKibrisli wrote: |
Depressing as it might be,there is one clear message from this tread...for some GCs,probably the majority,the TCs will always remain as Ottoman remnants,the reminders of the dark and oppressive times...Hence our v ery existance is a provocation for these people,we must be got rid of at all cost...The demand for Enosis with Greece keeps making more and more sense now...That was an attempt to bring an end the presence in Cyprus of the TCs...No matter how they wrap it,how they paint it,this ugly truth stares us in the face...Moderates like myself,Pyro,miltiades,Bananiot,Kikapu,Mikkie,DT,Deniz,Nikitas,Kifeas,and a few others I might've forgotten to mention are bound to be very disappointed in the end...The goal of the majority of GCs in Cyprus is still the total elimination of the TCs from Cyprus...They are simply after revenge for the Ottoman times,and no sensible or logical arguments will make the slightest difference...I am very sorry that things have come to this...But whichever way I look at it,I cannot come to any other conclusion...There is little point in discussing anything any more...The battle lines are drawn,and it is fight to the death I am afraid...for Cyprus to be peaceful one side has to disappear completely...It is sad that in this day and age people can keep so much bitterness and hatred in their hearts for their compatriots...This will destroy everything that is good and humane in us...As our bloody past has proven...To the barricates,prepare for the final solution,it will come sooner or later...  |
And yet again you are creating imaginary stories to excuse crimes against Greek Cypriots.
No mate, what we expect from you is to be equal Cypriots without any kind of racist privileges on our expense. You can be 100% equal individuals, and as a community you can have your minority rights just like it is in all other democratic countries in the world.
The era of the Ottomans is relevant only in that you unfortunately have not changed at all since then, and you still seek to divide the population in two groups so you can have gains and privileges on the expense of the majority.
Take the example of the Latins. During their rule of Cyprus you claim that they were worst than the Ottomans. And yet today they live together with us in peace as equal Cypriots. They are not trying to violate our rights anymore, they respect us and we respect them. They understand that as an ethnic group they are a minority, and they are not collaborating with foreign Imperialists trying to gain way more than their fair share on the expense of every other Cypriot.
There is really no point in discussing anything anymore if you think that your ethnic minority is some super special case among all other similar ethnic minorities in the whole world, that has the right to overwrite the human and democratic rights of every other Cypriot.
When you realize that what was given to you with the 1960 agreements and what you demand today in the negotiations are not things that an 18% minority deserves to have, but unfair and unjust gains on the expense of the majority of Cypriots extracted with your unethical collaboration with foreign Imperialists, then we can live together in this island in peace, in the say way we do it with all other minority ethnic groups in Cyprus.
But as long as you continue to collaborate with those foreign Imperialists, serving their interests in Cyprus and expecting the rewards they promise to you on our expense, then there is no chance in a billion that there will be peace between you and us on this island. |
Hold on for a minute Piratis.
So far I thought we were talking for the 1960 and what it should THEN be fair for all. 
How is your IDEAL going to apply today???
Do you support the negotiating line of our LEADERSHIP???
-If yes then how is that in line with your simple minority rights model?
-If no, please clarify. |
What would be fair then would also be fair today. We were blackmailed and forced to accept something unfair then, and the same is happening again today.
Certain compromises can be made (and it is only our side which is making compromises) but I believe our leadership is making way too many.
Either way, if the end result is not something fair the Cyprus Problem will not end. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:43 pm |
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| BirKibrisli wrote: |
| Depressing as it might be,there is one clear message from this tread...for some GCs,probably the majority,the TCs will always remain as Ottoman remnants,the reminders of the dark and oppressive times...Hence our v ery existance is a provocation for these people,we must be got rid of at all cost...The demand for Enosis with Greece keeps making more and more sense now...That was an attempt to bring an end the presence in Cyprus of the TCs...No matter how they wrap it,how they paint it,this ugly truth stares us in the face...Moderates like myself,Pyro,miltiades,Bananiot,Kikapu,Mikkie,DT,Deniz,Nikitas,Kifeas,and a few others I might've forgotten to mention are bound to be very disappointed in the end...The goal of the majority of GCs in Cyprus is still the total elimination of the TCs from Cyprus...They are simply after revenge for the Ottoman times,and no sensible or logical arguments will make the slightest difference...I am very sorry that things have come to this...But whichever way I look at it,I cannot come to any other conclusion...There is little point in discussing anything any more...The battle lines are drawn,and it is fight to the death I am afraid...for Cyprus to be peaceful one side has to disappear completely...It is sad that in this day and age people can keep so much bitterness and hatred in their hearts for their compatriots...This will destroy everything that is good and humane in us...As our bloody past has proven...To the barricates,prepare for the final solution,it will come sooner or later... |
Now Bir do you realize why the TRNC is so important to TCs and if we were even to consider uniting why the safeguards and guarantees we demand are vital to make these GCs act inline with their signature knowing full well the consequencies if they do not. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:27 am |
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| Get Real! wrote: |
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| Dont fall into their trap Erol they want you to go because you challenge and threaten their mindset exposing it for what it really is Turk hating, revenge seeking madness. |
Gee, I wonder why that might have come about...  |
As long as you think that way, nothing will be solved. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:09 pm |
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| aussieturk wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
| Viewpoint wrote: |
| Dont fall into their trap Erol they want you to go because you challenge and threaten their mindset exposing it for what it really is Turk hating, revenge seeking madness. |
Gee, I wonder why that might have come about... |
As long as you think that way, nothing will be solved. |
Reh GRui MIarui, kindly stop upsetting our TCzaruis. Gadalaves? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:35 pm |
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| Tim Drayton |
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| YFred wrote: |
| aussieturk wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
| Viewpoint wrote: |
| Dont fall into their trap Erol they want you to go because you challenge and threaten their mindset exposing it for what it really is Turk hating, revenge seeking madness. |
Gee, I wonder why that might have come about... |
As long as you think that way, nothing will be solved. |
Reh GRui MIarui, kindly stop upsetting our TCzaruis. Gadalaves? |
I hope some b*gger gadalavei because I sure don't. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:03 pm |
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| Egadalava that GR makes the sound of miaw, but then what is this sound "zarrrr" the TCs make ??? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:37 am |
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| aussieturk |
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| YFred wrote: |
Reh GRui MIarui, kindly stop upsetting our TCzaruis. Gadalaves? |
Sorry don't understand |
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