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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:00 am

The hatred that exists in this part of the world is nurtured and intensified by so called religious people , may their God have mercy on their souls because they are responsible for the death and suffering endured by so many innocent people .


Miltaides, are you referring to the Jewish Fundamentalists that have them believing it is their God given right to kill, maim and torture innocents to protect their Holy Lands?...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le4930.htm

If this is not religious fundamentalism, then I don't know what is!

Briefly stated, Christian Zionism is a movement within Protestant fundamentalism that sees the modern state of Israel as the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and thus deserving of political, financial and religious support. Christian Zionists work closely with the Israeli government, religious and secular Jewish Zionist organizations, and are particularly empowered during periods when the more conservative Likud Party is in control of the Knesset.
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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:03 am

Paphitis wrote: I do not condone anything!

Israeli military action on unarmed civilians is equally horrible.

I hope you are not condoning this Israeli war crime?


I don't condone indiscriminate killings from either side. I do think that Israel - by using a large preponderance of firepower - is using the same doctrine as General Sherman did when he wreaked havoc on the Confederate States in the American Civil War: "We can't make these people love us, but we can make them so sick of war, they'll think twice before trying it again"... It may not work this time. As for Hamas, I don't have any sympathy for them. They started it...
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:09 am

As for Hamas, I don't have any sympathy for them. They started it...


How about displaying some sympathy for the innocent civilians that were murdered by Israeli Firepower, much in the same way as you would eagerly sympathise with Israeli victims from Hamas rocket attacks?

A bit of objectivity would be welcome, as you are talking about a people (Palestinians) who have been fighting to survive for over 45 years.
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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:13 am

Paphitis wrote: A bit of objectivity would be welcome, as you are talking about a people (Palestinians) who have been fighting to survive for over 45 years.


Palestinians have their rights to self-determination, and the two-state solution is on the table. The problem is that hotheads (Hamas) are denying the normal Palestinian populace the peace and prosperity that they desire. I try to be objective, but I base this objectivity on one thing: Israel's right to exist as a nation. Do you agree to Israel's right to exist, Paphitis?
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Postby CBBB » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:16 am

Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?
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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:18 am

CBBB wrote:Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?


Interesting simile, but yeah... That shooting was VERY disporportionate. All that the TC's has to do was to grab the person as he came down, and take the flag off him. Shooting him - even with a warning, as was claimed - went too far.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:18 am

CBBB wrote:Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?


Very much so....
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Postby DT. » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:19 am

CBBB wrote:Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?


no. Nothing similar about Hamas firing rockets into Israel and Solomou climbing up a f****ing flagpole.

Hamas could have killed a few Israelis with the rockets. What was Solomou gonna do? stand on top of the flagpole and hurl grenades?
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:20 am

utu wrote:
Paphitis wrote: A bit of objectivity would be welcome, as you are talking about a people (Palestinians) who have been fighting to survive for over 45 years.


Palestinians have their rights to self-determination, and the two-state solution is on the table. The problem is that hotheads (Hamas) are denying the normal Palestinian populace the peace and prosperity that they desire. I try to be objective, but I base this objectivity on one thing: Israel's right to exist as a nation. Do you agree to Israel's right to exist, Paphitis?


I agree that Israel has a right to exist, but not on stolen Palestinian lands.
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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:21 am

DT. wrote:
CBBB wrote:Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?


no. Nothing similar about Hamas firing rockets into Israel and Solomou climbing up a f****ing flagpole.

Hamas could have killed a few Israelis with the rockets. What was Solomou gonna do? stand on top of the flagpole and hurl grenades?


When it comes to symbols, people don't seem to think logically. I guess that if a Turkish Cypriot tried to tear down a Greek Flag in the RoCy, he might not be treated in a dispassionate manner by those who see the deed done...
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