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Postby Free Spirit » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:44 pm

Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:...see him pounce on the intentional spelling mistakes in this post !!!

You ARE an international mistake! :lol:


Speaking as an outsider please tell us what you think of the human race.
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Postby Free Spirit » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:53 pm

Svetlana wrote:My strongly held belief that if there were no rockets/mortars from Gaza Israel would be happy to stay within its own borders; - but even if Israel was to stay within its own borders Hamas would continue to fire rockets. This is how I determine who is the aggressor. However, as I said earlier, I do not believe the current bombardment will solve the solution and I cannot begin to imagine the fear and despair now being felt by the Palestinian people.

Lana


Excellent and balanced post Lana.

Another point worth putting is that Hamas along with several muslim states has an agenda to wipe out Israel.

Israel has no such agenda.

During the 6 day war I was stationed in Cyprus when Israel was grossly outnumbered and faced disproportianete numbers of enemies; and yet succeded against all odds to such an extent that the soviets who encouraged and armed the arabs threatened to intervene due to the pathetic performance of the arabs.
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Postby Free Spirit » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:56 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:An interesting analysis of the "Bantustanisation" of the Palestinians:

http://stopthewall.org/analysisandfeatures/1157.shtml


Great article Tim. Thanks


Thanks for the original idea. The parallels are very striking.


Didn't read all the post did it say where Yasser Arrafat was involved in contracts with the isaelis to build the walls.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:51 am

Report: Israel Forced Civilians Into Single House, Repeatedly Bombed It!
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/09/repo ... bombed-it/

Israeli strike on civilian house may be 'war crime' says UN
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -gaza.html

UN: One-third of Gaza dead, injured are children
http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/01/09/un-o ... -children/

Aid Groups Dispute Israeli Claims in Gaza Attacks
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/deen.php?articleid=14034

100 Survivors Rescued in Gaza From Ruins Blocked by Israelis
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 39_pf.html

Israel Ignores UN Security Council Resolution
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/rizvi.php?articleid=14033
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:05 am

This shoe throwing is spreading. The GB BBC reports that earlier today....

"In Edinburgh around 300 shoes were thrown towards the US consulate by protesters...."
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:34 am

Get Real! wrote:Report: Israel Forced Civilians Into Single House, Repeatedly Bombed It!
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/09/repo ... bombed-it/

Israeli strike on civilian house may be 'war crime' says UN
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -gaza.html

UN: One-third of Gaza dead, injured are children
http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/01/09/un-o ... -children/

Aid Groups Dispute Israeli Claims in Gaza Attacks
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/deen.php?articleid=14034

100 Survivors Rescued in Gaza From Ruins Blocked by Israelis
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 39_pf.html

Israel Ignores UN Security Council Resolution
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/rizvi.php?articleid=14033

Great articles which show the true brutality of what is occuring in Gaza. Seems like they are practacing what the Nazis did in Poland and the USSR during WW2, by forcing civilians into buildings and then destroying them. GR do you realise of 300 of those killed have been children. I am starting to wonder if they are doing this purposely for population control aka genocidal reasons.. All I can say is what a fucking shame.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:24 am

Any suggestions how this war can be brought to a swift end to save further loss of life ?
Do of course remember that Israel will not accept a ceasefire unless the rocket fired by Hamas , who by the way Don't seem particularly concerned about the loss of civilian life , come to an immediate end.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:53 am

miltiades wrote:Any suggestions how this war can be brought to a swift end to save further loss of life ?
Do of course remember that Israel will not accept a ceasefire unless the rocket fired by Hamas , who by the way Don't seem particularly concerned about the loss of civilian life , come to an immediate end.


The ball is clearly in Israel's court. They are the only ones who could end the conflict, but they do not want to. I am afraid that it is the Israeli's that want the conflict to continue, because it is a fact that their action in the Gaza Strip will only motivate HAMAS and other Palestinians to continue their rocket attacks on Israel.

The Palestinians have been under constant siege. They are unable to trade, and even the passage of vital medicines into Gaza is severely restricted. They have a GDP output of $600.00 per capita, ranking the Palestinians people amongst the most impoverished in the world.

I have read that the early Zionists were in actual fact looking at Cyprus as an option of declaring their state. If this occurred, and Jews were migrating to Cyprus buying all the land and then enforcing all Cypriots into enclaves about the size of the British SBAs, then I am positive the Cypriots would behave in much the same way as the Palestinians are today. If the Jews had stolen all our lands and dignity, then you are left with no option but to fight and resist.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:07 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Any suggestions how this war can be brought to a swift end to save further loss of life ?
Do of course remember that Israel will not accept a ceasefire unless the rocket fired by Hamas , who by the way Don't seem particularly concerned about the loss of civilian life , come to an immediate end.


The ball is clearly in Israel's court. They are the only ones who could end the conflict, but they do not want to. I am afraid that it is the Israeli's that want the conflict to continue, because it is a fact that their action in the Gaza Strip will only motivate HAMAS and other Palestinians to continue their rocket attacks on Israel.

The Palestinians have been under constant siege. They are unable to trade, and even the passage of vital medicines into Gaza is severely restricted. They have a GDP output of $600.00 per capita, ranking the Palestinians people amongst the most impoverished in the world.

I have read that the early Zionists were in actual fact looking at Cyprus as an option of declaring their state. If this occurred, and Jews were migrating to Cyprus buying all the land and then enforcing all Cypriots into enclaves about the size of the British SBAs, then I am positive the Cypriots would behave in much the same way as the Palestinians are today. If the Jews had stolen all our lands and dignity, then you are left with no option but to fight and resist.

My dear friend , can you please try and explain why is it that the Israelis are at war in Gaza at the moment , why the blockade , why the wall.

Please try and explain what you think is the reason , and do try to leave out such rubbish like the Jews wanting Cyprus as their promised land.
Israel exists , that is an indisputable irrefutable fact . How can this existence be at peace with the Palestinians .
How do you think the Israeli public would respond if Israel at war in Gaza at the moment was purely there for any other reason that stopping the daily barrage of rockets launched by Hamas.
What would you do if you were the Israeli Prime Minister.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:32 am

Free Spirit wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:An interesting analysis of the "Bantustanisation" of the Palestinians:

http://stopthewall.org/analysisandfeatures/1157.shtml


Great article Tim. Thanks


Thanks for the original idea. The parallels are very striking.


Didn't read all the post did it say where Yasser Arrafat was involved in contracts with the isaelis to build the walls.


I am sure there were some black South Africans who profited handsomely from the Bantustans, so thanks for reinforcing the parallels.
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