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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:23 am

Paphitis wrote: I agree that Israel has a right to exist, but not on stolen Palestinian lands.


That was the answer I wanted to hear. So what can be done to bring this about? And please remember that THIS feud has lasted a lot longer than the Cyprus problem...
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:27 am

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CBBB wrote:Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?


no. Nothing similar about Hamas firing rockets into Israel and Solomou climbing up a f****ing flagpole.

Hamas could have killed a few Israelis with the rockets. What was Solomou gonna do? stand on top of the flagpole and hurl grenades?


I think CBBB was referring to the disproportionate use of power or force..
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Postby DT. » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:32 am

Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
CBBB wrote:Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?


no. Nothing similar about Hamas firing rockets into Israel and Solomou climbing up a f****ing flagpole.

Hamas could have killed a few Israelis with the rockets. What was Solomou gonna do? stand on top of the flagpole and hurl grenades?


I think CBBB was referring to the disproportionate use of power or force..


Wasn't having a go at cbbb. But they are very different. One was disproportionate and the other was unprovoked. How can you have a proportionate response to someone climbing up a flagpole? By labelling it as disproporionate you are saying that Solomou harmed someone as well, albeit in a smaller way.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:43 am

DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
CBBB wrote:Isn't the disproportionate retaliation of Isreal similar to someone being shot dead for climbing a flag pole?


no. Nothing similar about Hamas firing rockets into Israel and Solomou climbing up a f****ing flagpole.

Hamas could have killed a few Israelis with the rockets. What was Solomou gonna do? stand on top of the flagpole and hurl grenades?


I think CBBB was referring to the disproportionate use of power or force..


Wasn't having a go at cbbb. But they are very different. One was disproportionate and the other was unprovoked. How can you have a proportionate response to someone climbing up a flagpole? By labelling it as disproporionate you are saying that Solomou harmed someone as well, albeit in a smaller way.


No, I am not saying Solomou hurt anyone. Just wanted to say that the Turkish reaction was a massive over-reaction.

You are right to say that the Turks killed him unprovoked. Whereas, the Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip are disproportionate, but not unprovoked.
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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:45 am

Paphitis wrote:You are right to say that the Turks killed him unprovoked. Whereas, the Israeli aattacks on the Gaza Strip are disproportionate, but not unprovoked.


That's it in a nutshell.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:50 am

utu wrote:
Paphitis wrote: I agree that Israel has a right to exist, but not on stolen Palestinian lands.


That was the answer I wanted to hear. So what can be done to bring this about? And please remember that THIS feud has lasted a lot longer than the Cyprus problem...


As far as I am concerned, Israel can stop her expansionism against her neighbours.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/MissionStatement.htm

Israel can also return many stolen lands, which as you can see from the following diagrams, were predominantly occupied by Palestinians. The land ownership was also predominantly Palestinian.

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Some areas that are still controlled by the Israelis, were nearly 100% Palestinian owned and occupied.
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Postby utu » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:53 am

Paphitis wrote:Some areas that are still controlled by the Israelis, were nearly 100% Palestinian owned.


And not forgetting that Israel will not compromise on Jerusalem. Any land deal therefore is going to hit that particular roadblock in a big way.
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Postby CBBB » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:57 am

Israeli naval ship clashes with aid boat directed to Gaza
An Israeli naval ship clashed on Tuesday with a small boat carrying foreign activists with aid directed for Gaza Strip, an Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman said. According to Reuters, Israel declared the coastal territory a closed military zone.

There were no reported casualties from the incident involving the small cabin cruiser "Dignity" that sailed from Cyprus late on Monday. One passenger said nobody was wounded.

Free Gaza Movement told Reuters their boat, carrying 3 1/2 tonnes of medical aid with 16 people aboard, was rammed and shot at while in international waters some 70-80 miles off Gaza by Israeli naval vessel. There were Europeans and Americans on board.

Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry, denied there had been any shooting although he said the two ships made "physical contact". According to Palmor, the boat failed to respond to Israeli naval radio contact. Thus, an Israeli vessel "clashed with the ship."

Israel said the Free Gaza Movement boat would not be permitted to dock in the Gaza Strip.

A passenger on the Free Gaza Movement boat said it was now attempting to reach Lebanon after the incident.

© 2008 Al Bawaba (www.albawaba.com)

http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Palestine/238950
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Re: Israel finaly putting Hamas in its place

Postby Free Spirit » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:03 pm

miltiades wrote:Paphitis in your opinion 364 civilians were killed , tell us , in your opinion, how many Hamas activists , were killed , if any , in your opinion.


The only thing that we have'nt seen up to now outside the bombed Hamas HQ is the crudely hand written sign saying 'Baby Milk Factory'.

All you anti Israel posters seem to ignore the fact that Israel has recently been under constant attack from missiles and mortars.

The Secretary General of the UN has constantly been critical of the Palestinians for their ongoing campaign to eliminate the state of Israel, which after all is the Israelis homeland; let's not foreget that.
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Postby Free Spirit » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:08 pm

CBBB wrote:Israeli naval ship clashes with aid boat directed to Gaza
An Israeli naval ship clashed on Tuesday with a small boat carrying foreign activists


So why should foriegn activists be sticking their noses in, did these morons object to the daily rocket and mortar attacks on Israel?
But, if an Israeli sneezes they're accused of germ warfare.
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