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a question for the TCs

Postby souroul » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:58 am

whats your take on the settlers?

one of the most important issues for me and the future unification of the island is the settlers.

now, lets just put the whole issue of how they're here illegally which is widely known and accepted aside, and just talk about the possible ramifications of these kind of people leaking all over Cyprus.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the settlers that the Turkish government brought here over the years, are of the likes of "homeless" Anatolians picked up from the streets, or more specifically, poor uneducated people that would do and believe anything they've been told, just because they dont know better.

We've already seen crime rates rise along with the rise of illegal immigrants arriving in the ROC from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Srilanka and the general area, so i just wanted to know more about the settlers in the North. I've been hearing about they may allow "some" of them to stay, so i need to know a bit more about them.

Anyone care to enlighten me? what kind of people are they? how do you think they'll react once the boarders are wide open? any kind of information is appreciated
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Postby YFred » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:18 pm

No need to worry on that score. They are humans. All you hear is xenophobia claptrap.
When you study the human race and the differing nationalities you will find the conclusions very consistent right across all races.

Most people are decent. Some are criminals and some are extremely nice. A typical distribution curve for our mathematical minded geniuses.

Your understanding is also applicable in UK. Ask any white person and they would say the same about criminals here. Don’t just read newspaper, look elsewhere for info.

I have done a fair bit of work in Prisons in UK. I have come to the conclusion that the foreign criminal element is representative of the percentage of population. In other words Approx 90% of prisoners were white and English.

What is also quite clear is that if all the settlers were forced to leave, TRNC would suffer economically the same fate as the GCs would suffer if they forced all non-Greek Cypriots to leave, economically that is. This also applies to any other country.
Try building a house in TRNC today without Turkish labour even in Lurucina.

GC’s have nothing to fear from our so called settlers.
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Postby DT. » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:26 pm

YFred wrote:No need to worry on that score. They are humans. All you hear is xenophobia claptrap.
When you study the human race and the differing nationalities you will find the conclusions very consistent right across all races.

Most people are decent. Some are criminals and some are extremely nice. A typical distribution curve for our mathematical minded geniuses.

Your understanding is also applicable in UK. Ask any white person and they would say the same about criminals here. Don’t just read newspaper, look elsewhere for info.

I have done a fair bit of work in Prisons in UK. I have come to the conclusion that the foreign criminal element is representative of the percentage of population. In other words Approx 90% of prisoners were white and English.

What is also quite clear is that if all the settlers were forced to leave, TRNC would suffer economically the same fate as the GCs would suffer if they forced all non-Greek Cypriots to leave, economically that is. This also applies to any other country.
Try building a house in TRNC today without Turkish labour even in Lurucina.

GC’s have nothing to fear from our so called settlers.


1) We've nothing to fear but plently to be pissed off about your settlers. When the tc side is placing their issues over the plight of the refugees it angers us.
2) Judging by the level of integration between TC's and settlers I would imagine the integration between GC's and settlers in one common country would be even more difficult. If you guys haven't managed to get on with them how the hell do you expect us to?
3) Shipping settlers to change the demographics of a millitarily occupied territory is a war crime.

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Postby Piratis » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:34 pm

The Settlers are Turkish citizens and Turkey should take care of her own citizens in the same way we will take care of ours.

Bringing Settlers on an occupied territory is a war crime committed by Turkey, and Turkey has to pay for her crime. She has to compensate those people for the problem she caused to them and offer to them free housing in Turkey so they can return. I am sure most of them will choose to return if a large enough amount of money is offered to them by Turkey as compensation.

If any TCs believes that Cyprus should pay for the crimes of Turkey, I hope that TC is also willing to take money out of his own pocket, and donate his own property to those Settlers. Because I see some TCs being very generous with giving away OUR land to others.
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Postby YFred » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:44 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:No need to worry on that score. They are humans. All you hear is xenophobia claptrap.
When you study the human race and the differing nationalities you will find the conclusions very consistent right across all races.

Most people are decent. Some are criminals and some are extremely nice. A typical distribution curve for our mathematical minded geniuses.

Your understanding is also applicable in UK. Ask any white person and they would say the same about criminals here. Don’t just read newspaper, look elsewhere for info.

I have done a fair bit of work in Prisons in UK. I have come to the conclusion that the foreign criminal element is representative of the percentage of population. In other words Approx 90% of prisoners were white and English.

What is also quite clear is that if all the settlers were forced to leave, TRNC would suffer economically the same fate as the GCs would suffer if they forced all non-Greek Cypriots to leave, economically that is. This also applies to any other country.
Try building a house in TRNC today without Turkish labour even in Lurucina.

GC’s have nothing to fear from our so called settlers.


1) We've nothing to fear but plently to be pissed off about your settlers. When the tc side is placing their issues over the plight of the refugees it angers us.
2) Judging by the level of integration between TC's and settlers I would imagine the integration between GC's and settlers in one common country would be even more difficult. If you guys haven't managed to get on with them how the hell do you expect us to?
3) Shipping settlers to change the demographics of a millitarily occupied territory is a war crime.

Attempting to clear the TC's from Cyprus by economic strangulation with love is a legalised war crime. Never the less a war crime committed by the GC government before, during and after the arrival of the settlers. I was a victim of the first one. Although I was labelled as a traitor for leaving by some extreme Turkish elements in my circle of so called friends.

What will never leave me is, as a 14 year old seeing the smile of the custom officer going through the customs in Nicosia and the words he uttered as I walked away, “stanathema”.

Let he without sin throw the first stone
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Postby Piratis » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:54 pm

legalised war crime


There is no such thing.

Nobody attempted to clear the TCs from Cyprus. Just to make the TCs accept democracy and the self-determination of Cypriots on their own island.
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Postby YFred » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:59 pm

Piratis wrote:
legalised war crime


There is no such thing.

Nobody attempted to clear the TCs from Cyprus. Just to make the TCs accept democracy and the self-determination of Cypriots on their own island.


Are you saying there is no legalised war crime today?
Who has their head under the sand Piratis me or you?
Even the Ostriches apparently never did it!
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Postby Piratis » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:08 pm

YFred wrote:
Piratis wrote:
legalised war crime


There is no such thing.

Nobody attempted to clear the TCs from Cyprus. Just to make the TCs accept democracy and the self-determination of Cypriots on their own island.


Are you saying there is no legalised war crime today?
Who has their head under the sand Piratis me or you?
Even the Ostriches apparently never did it!


There are many war crimes today, and all of them are illegal. Like the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey and the Settlers that Turkey brought to Cyprus.
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Postby DT. » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:56 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:No need to worry on that score. They are humans. All you hear is xenophobia claptrap.
When you study the human race and the differing nationalities you will find the conclusions very consistent right across all races.

Most people are decent. Some are criminals and some are extremely nice. A typical distribution curve for our mathematical minded geniuses.

Your understanding is also applicable in UK. Ask any white person and they would say the same about criminals here. Don’t just read newspaper, look elsewhere for info.

I have done a fair bit of work in Prisons in UK. I have come to the conclusion that the foreign criminal element is representative of the percentage of population. In other words Approx 90% of prisoners were white and English.

What is also quite clear is that if all the settlers were forced to leave, TRNC would suffer economically the same fate as the GCs would suffer if they forced all non-Greek Cypriots to leave, economically that is. This also applies to any other country.
Try building a house in TRNC today without Turkish labour even in Lurucina.

GC’s have nothing to fear from our so called settlers.


1) We've nothing to fear but plently to be pissed off about your settlers. When the tc side is placing their issues over the plight of the refugees it angers us.
2) Judging by the level of integration between TC's and settlers I would imagine the integration between GC's and settlers in one common country would be even more difficult. If you guys haven't managed to get on with them how the hell do you expect us to?
3) Shipping settlers to change the demographics of a millitarily occupied territory is a war crime.

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You've given us your opinion about point 3, what about points 1 and 2? I'm especially anxious to hear your thoughts on point 2
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Postby souroul » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:22 pm

can we PLEASE stick to the point of this thread, i dont want this to turn into a flame fest thats gone way out of topic. take it elsewhere please.

Yfred, i'm basing my assumptions from what is happening in southern part of the island. The influx of illegal immigrants brought many many problems along with them, be it cultural, economic, crime or whatever else. I know nothing about the settlers, hence why i've created this thread

So, assuming that the Turkish settlers came to this island for the exact same reason the illegal immigrants in the south did, i'm a bit skeptical as to what the impact of suddenly having an X amount of "illegal immigrants" let loose.

for example, how many of them do you figure are homless bums commiting small time crimes just to not starve to death? do they respect women? (silly question, but give me some credit here, i can expect anything from deep anatolian peasants)

hopefully you got the general idea of what i'm wanting to know
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