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[Piratis]

And you must know that we won't vote any solution except Annan Plan style!

Thats too bad.
If you change your mind about that then we can talk again.

[Cyprus]

The same is valid for you! Why don't you try to change your mind a little! Not too much!

[Piratis]

From union with Greece in the 50s and a unitary state later on, we came to accept that a minority of 18% will have its own federal state.
As you can see we changed our mind and moved toward you a lot.

Now its your turn. We reached the absolute maximum of compromises we could make. It is your turn now.

[Cyprus]

No, you didn't accepted ! Only changed part is you are trying to seem you accepted!

we came to accept that a minority of 18% will have its own federal state.

I read what you want ! Your thoughts does not let this ! You think that %18 have to get only 18% rights cos Greek Cypriots are majority.


Its even uncertain if you think our rights in Republic Of Cyprus is too much for %18 !


Why don't you confide that you don't accept federal solution!?
Federal solution is not appropriate to your thoughts!

Or a so-called federal solution can match with your thoughts that can never will be!

[mehmet]

From union with Greece in the 50s and a unitary state later on, we came to accept that a minority of 18% will have its own federal state.

Now its your turn. We reached the absolute maximum of compromises we could make. It is your turn now.

From Taksim and ideas about union with Turkey, the citizens of TRNC voted for a federation (a loose one if you like) and that a majority of 82% shall again have the power to rule over us.

But you think that is no sacrifice at all. If that is the absolute maximum of compromises that is no compromise at all because the result is continuation of status quo which you think is better than what was on offer.

[Piratis]

Probably you didn't read what I wrote.
Here is my position:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=211

We accept a federal system. A real federal system similar to what exists in other federal countries.

[PEACE]

A real federal system similar to what exists in other federal countries.

What you forget that here there is two different nation ! Also we have to take care of past events!

[mehmet]

I read what you wrote, I don't have a problem with it. But I don't see how whatever we agree amongst ourselves will make a difference when the political leadership within the island seem content to argue and protest about how Talat is addressed and other such minor matters whilst hand grenades are being thrown at other leaders. I sense no desire to reopen discussions, it's like Cyprus went through a brief period of discussion about important things when real changes were on offer and now we are back to normal. Well normal isn't good enough, yet to see from UK how newspapers from Cyprus and Turkey have been reporting the news since referundum it looks like no one wants to be courageous. Am I misreading situation?

I go back to your ideas, federal yes, democratic yes, independent and united yes. As ideas they are fine, which leaders or parties do you see within RoC that might push for solution. From other side it doesn't look like Papadopoulos is the one who will bring solution.

[Piratis]

What you forget that here there is two different nation

This is exactly my point. What some of you want is two separate countries in one way or another and this is why you liked the Annan plan.

I go back to your ideas, federal yes, democratic yes, independent and united yes. As ideas they are fine, which leaders or parties do you see within RoC that might push for solution. From other side it doesn't look like Papadopoulos is the one who will bring solution.

Almost all GC parties (with the exception of one party of about 2.5%) would fully support what I wrote. Also the majority of GC would vote for such thing for sure.
The problem is with your side. Unfortunately, in your side it seems that not only the majority of TC needs to be satisfied, but you have to satisfy the settlers (who are the majority now) and Turkey itself.

Turkey now expects to get a date for EU and they are very careful. Yesterday they even had RC flag in Eurovision. From today until December is the time for TC to make their own peaceful revolution to take their destiny in their own hands and then agree for a fair and very good solution for them like the one I propose.

If TC stick to the Annan plan, then this time frame will pass and any such revolution will be almost impossible.

All of the above of course if TC want a united, democratic, federal and independent Cyprus. I am still confused as to what the majority wants.

Can somebody tell me what the majority of TC is ready to accept?

[mehmet]

If all Greek Cypriot leaders would accept ideas like the ones you suggested why is no one sticking their neck out to make the offer. Do you expect the Turkish Cypriot leadership to take the first step after the way the referundum went? Turkish Cypriots alrady make their peaceful revolution to get to this point, when they look over the border they see news of bishops referring to them as slobs and hostile atmosphere for supporters of Annan Plan.

As for the majority of Turkish Cypriots, from where I am, I am not in a position to comment but I would have thought the result of the referundum in the north was an indication that people see their future as being part of a Cypriot state but with safeguards to ensure they do not return to the political position they were in before 1974. The safeguards such as veto rights, Turkish army presence (in less numbers, 650 was in Annan Plan), and limitations on the resettlement of the Greek Cypriots to the north coluld all be renegotiated at intervals, of say 10 years. After all if we are in EU I doubt that RoC could get away with treating Turkish Cypriot's like they did. After all, the European courts would in such a situation be available for Turkish Cypriots as much as for anyone else.

I don't know if my fellow Turkish Cypriots have understood that protection from discrimination will not just be a matter for Cyprus constitution but will be subject to Cyprus law meeting European standards. But like I said from where I am in UK I am not about to pretend I know what my compatriots will settle for, after all they will live the consequences not I.

I think it is important that we see the future in stages and that we move forward step by step. We don't have to be absolutely agreed on details of final outcome. No solution to problem will continue to contribute to Turkish Cypriots voting with their feet and leaving Cyprus. Then you will have even more people whose origins are from Turkish mainland to negotiate with if you want anyone to negotiate with.

Do not expect too much more from Turkey or Turkish Cypriots before December. Already the situation is delicate due to the position of Erdogan and the military. If EU reject Turkey the anti EU feeling will increase and nationalists will gain strength. The opportunity is not for Turkish Cypriots to make a revolution but for Greek Cypriots to demonstrate to the Turkish Cypriots their sincerity about wanting settlement of Cyprus problem. That brings me back to my first point, who is going to stick their neck out and risk being condemned to hell and hand grenades etc in order to move situation forward?