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Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

Postby DT. » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:20 pm

silentmoon wrote:I want to know ;
what is the main problem or issue on cyprus at the moment apart from these negotiations ?


How far APOEL will go in the Champions League this year. :D
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Postby Sotos » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:57 am

Here is the big picture: The problem in Cyprus are the Turks. They invaded Cyprus 2 times. One in 1570 and one in 1974. After each time they invade they bring to Cyprus their Settlers, who they later call Turkish "Cypriots", steal our lands and give them to their Settlers. How is it so easy for the Turks to invade Cyprus and bring Turks in Cyprus, and not easy to just take their Turks and take them back out of Cyprus so the Cyprus problem will be solved? Is the ticket coming to Cyprus cheaper than going out of Cyprus? No! Turks just want to bring their Settlers in Cyprus to expand against us and take our island from us. The Turkish Generals admitted many times that Cyprus is of strategic importance to them. The TCs are just their excuse to occupy Cyprus. This is the big picture.
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Postby Sotos » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:59 am

halil wrote:now Cypriots (Turkish and Greek Cypriots leaders ) are negotiating to find the solution . That both parties in Cyprus will satisfied . Yes there will be referendum and both side of the divided line people will decide .what is good ,what is bad for them ..... not forcing the other side to accept what they are suiting only for their interest and gains .... both sides must gain from it . If u don't want to find solution there is a lot of excuses can be said ..... If ....If ....If ................If ................. no end for it !


Why should we negotiate with any Turks about what we should do with our own island? :roll: Does Turkey negotiate with the Greek minority in Turkey to decide what they will do with Turkey?
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Postby bigOz » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:34 am

Meanwhile... the situation is getting worse because people ask for the impossible! When the GCs realise every year that passes by mean less number of TCs and more number of mainlanders are facing them for a settlement - they might see the light then!

DT my friend! We have a very good saying in TC land: ''Zararın neresinden dönülürse kardır'' - implying the sooner one changes their tracks to stop more losses, the better for them in the long run. The more stubborn and persistent GCs will get with their (usual) claims regarding land and movement of population, the longer the wjole thing will drag on, and the more implausable everything will become... Sad but TRUE!
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Postby bigOz » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:36 am

DT. wrote:
silentmoon wrote:I want to know ;
what is the main problem or issue on cyprus at the moment apart from these negotiations ?


How far APOEL will go in the Champions League this year. :D

No! Galatasaray (wankers) lost 3-2 to Hamburg from 2-0 up last night! Ruined my whole fluckınk night! :shock:
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Postby DT. » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:22 am

bigOz wrote:Meanwhile... the situation is getting worse because people ask for the impossible! When the GCs realise every year that passes by mean less number of TCs and more number of mainlanders are facing them for a settlement - they might see the light then!

DT my friend! We have a very good saying in TC land: ''Zararın neresinden dönülürse kardır'' - implying the sooner one changes their tracks to stop more losses, the better for them in the long run. The more stubborn and persistent GCs will get with their (usual) claims regarding land and movement of population, the longer the wjole thing will drag on, and the more implausable everything will become... Sad but TRUE!


Thing is BigOz that the confederation model asked by Talat doesn't bring anything to the table that will get a yes from us. The only thing the GC side would gain from what talat is proposing is about 7% of land and a genetically modified 3 legged goat of a govt that would be unworkable from day 1. Christofias has already gone further than most GC's would feel comfortable with and the fact is that apart from the loss of our lands....things over here are too good to give up for a little bit of land.

We've lost that get a solution yesturday!! desire. Now its...lets make sure its worth our while.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:37 am

bigOz wrote:Meanwhile... the situation is getting worse because people ask for the impossible! When the GCs realise every year that passes by mean less number of TCs and more number of mainlanders are facing them for a settlement - they might see the light then!


In the long run, I don't think that matters ... all that matters is that when a solution is finally reached, no more Turk-TCs are allowed to stay than were in Cyprus in 1974 (adjusting for natural growth). All this romanticism about TCs is now outdated. The TCs, since they sided with Turkey, chose them as their people/saviours/whatever, so how can they now claim to be more worthy of a Cypriot status than their "compatriot" Anatolians?
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Postby bigOz » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:06 pm

Oracle wrote:
bigOz wrote:Meanwhile... the situation is getting worse because people ask for the impossible! When the GCs realise every year that passes by mean less number of TCs and more number of mainlanders are facing them for a settlement - they might see the light then!


In the long run, I don't think that matters ... all that matters is that when a solution is finally reached, no more Turk-TCs are allowed to stay than were in Cyprus in 1974 (adjusting for natural growth). All this romanticism about TCs is now outdated. The TCs, since they sided with Turkey, chose them as their people/saviours/whatever, so how can they now claim to be more worthy of a Cypriot status than their "compatriot" Anatolians?

You may have had a point if any realistic solutions could demand the removal of all Turkish mainlanders from the North - I am reluctant to accept that such a proposition would ever be brought to any negotiation table, and more so if it will ever be accepted by anyone unless all mainland Greeks who settled in Cyprus after 1963 (and there are many thousands of them!) will also get the same treatment! Now think abou it and tell me how possible that is in reality...

As for giving up romanticsms, I suggest you do the same for what really happened in 1974. Rather than TCs siding with anyone it was some fanatic GCs who sided with their compatriots in Greece to bring down the democratically elected ''president of Cyprus'', and kill their own nationals as well as starting on the TCs.

We had many posts debating and discussing the subject before and it transpired in those discussions that the truth is far from what the adult GCs of today were taught at schools. I really do not wish to go down that line again but if you insist I am open to further discussions...
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Postby Oracle » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:25 pm

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bigOz wrote:Meanwhile... the situation is getting worse because people ask for the impossible! When the GCs realise every year that passes by mean less number of TCs and more number of mainlanders are facing them for a settlement - they might see the light then!


In the long run, I don't think that matters ... all that matters is that when a solution is finally reached, no more Turk-TCs are allowed to stay than were in Cyprus in 1974 (adjusting for natural growth). All this romanticism about TCs is now outdated. The TCs, since they sided with Turkey, chose them as their people/saviours/whatever, so how can they now claim to be more worthy of a Cypriot status than their "compatriot" Anatolians?

You may have had a point if any realistic solutions could demand the removal of all Turkish mainlanders from the North - I am reluctant to accept that such a proposition would ever be brought to any negotiation table, and more so if it will ever be accepted by anyone unless all mainland Greeks who settled in Cyprus after 1963 (and there are many thousands of them!) will also get the same treatment! Now think abou it and tell me how possible that is in reality...

As for giving up romanticsms, I suggest you do the same for what really happened in 1974. Rather than TCs siding with anyone it was some fanatic GCs who sided with their compatriots in Greece to bring down the democratically elected ''president of Cyprus'', and kill their own nationals as well as starting on the TCs.

We had many posts debating and discussing the subject before and it transpired in those discussions that the truth is far from what the adult GCs of today were taught at schools. I really do not wish to go down that line again but if you insist I am open to further discussions...


I didn't mean to draw you into a discussion (too busy), but what I said related explicitly to illegal colonisation post 1974 and is not comparable to any Greeks which may have emigrated at any other time.

As for the coup, that also does not excuse what Turkey has done, and is continuing to do, with an occupation and colonisation of what is now EU territory!
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:37 pm

bigOz wrote:When the GCs realise every year that passes by mean less number of TCs and more number of mainlanders are facing them for a settlement - they might see the light then!

What difference does it make? What matters to us is the LOYALTY to the RoC and Cyprus in general, and when it comes to that there’s hardly any difference between a “Turkish Cypriot” and an “Anatolian” as they both swear allegiance to Turkey.
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