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Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

Postby bigOz » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:53 pm

Oracle wrote:
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bigOz wrote:Meanwhile... the situation is getting worse because people ask for the impossible! When the GCs realise every year that passes by mean less number of TCs and more number of mainlanders are facing them for a settlement - they might see the light then!


In the long run, I don't think that matters ... all that matters is that when a solution is finally reached, no more Turk-TCs are allowed to stay than were in Cyprus in 1974 (adjusting for natural growth). All this romanticism about TCs is now outdated. The TCs, since they sided with Turkey, chose them as their people/saviours/whatever, so how can they now claim to be more worthy of a Cypriot status than their "compatriot" Anatolians?

You may have had a point if any realistic solutions could demand the removal of all Turkish mainlanders from the North - I am reluctant to accept that such a proposition would ever be brought to any negotiation table, and more so if it will ever be accepted by anyone unless all mainland Greeks who settled in Cyprus after 1963 (and there are many thousands of them!) will also get the same treatment! Now think abou it and tell me how possible that is in reality...

As for giving up romanticsms, I suggest you do the same for what really happened in 1974. Rather than TCs siding with anyone it was some fanatic GCs who sided with their compatriots in Greece to bring down the democratically elected ''president of Cyprus'', and kill their own nationals as well as starting on the TCs.

We had many posts debating and discussing the subject before and it transpired in those discussions that the truth is far from what the adult GCs of today were taught at schools. I really do not wish to go down that line again but if you insist I am open to further discussions...


I didn't mean to draw you into a discussion (too busy), but what I said related explicitly to illegal colonisation post 1974 and is not comparable to any Greeks which may have emigrated at any other time.

As for the coup, that also does not excuse what Turkey has done, and is continuing to do, with an occupation and colonisation of what is now EU territory!

I agree it may not compare but that added to the mass emmigration of TCs did add up to todays proportions of population.m Furthermore, ownership of land has nothing to do with the proportions of population since TCs owned 30% of land in Cyprus before the 1963 troubles! But that's besides the point. TCs are just as unhappy with mainlanders filling up the place of other TCs continuing to move out of the island because of no solution and no future.

You have to realise this is an ongoing process with no guarantee of a reversal. Unless of course the GCs stop making unrealistic demands about moving mass populations back to their own land (on both sides) and more importantly try and block all foreign trade / commerce /tourist routes for the TCs, thus making them even more dependant on the mainland Türkiye. Some of the GCs are really not aware of exactly what is happening. Cross over LOKMACI re gumbare! Cross over and wander around the TC part of old Nicosia... You will think you are in Adana! :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:10 pm

bigOz wrote:...since TCs owned 30% of land in Cyprus before the 1963 troubles!

And where did you get that figure from... a fortune cookie? :lol:
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Postby silentmoon » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:32 pm

Come on guys if u look at this crisis from one perspective we cant solve this

Please listen ?

U cant just live with the memories of the history we need to format our brains ans I always say human life is not 800 years it is just 80 years therest is living like a baby so please effort to solve this crisis by forgetting the past

At the past what happened had been happened AND THATS IT U CANT CHANGE IT NOW look at what we have now

As a Turkish am I saying that "ottomans ruled the whole world and now the wholoe world belongs to the Turks " is there such a stupid say like that ??? NOOOOO

So please put forward sensible solutions and realise that there is a community on the north of cyprus and u gotta negotiate with them no matter what had happened in the past . , please do that and have a 1 POWERFULL NATION CALLED ROC by the way I hate Denktas who just ate the whole cyprus and got that fat belly and big pocket with his bloddy son serdar denktas , nothing else
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:03 pm

silentmoon wrote:So please put forward sensible solutions and realise that there is a community on the north of cyprus and u gotta negotiate with them no matter what had happened in the past...

Why is that?
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Postby kurupetos » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:01 pm

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silentmoon wrote:I want to know ;
what is the main problem or issue on cyprus at the moment apart from these negotiations ?


In my opinion, the water shortage (notwithstanding this winter's reasonable rainfall) and the prospect of desertification over the long term.


That's not a problem. we have the Med around us. There are some ongoing projects...we will see.
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Postby kurupetos » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:02 pm

DT. wrote:
silentmoon wrote:I want to know ;
what is the main problem or issue on cyprus at the moment apart from these negotiations ?


How far APOEL will go in the Champions League this year. :D


1st prelimary round. as always. :P :lol:
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Postby kurupetos » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:05 pm

Get Real! wrote:
silentmoon wrote:So please put forward sensible solutions and realise that there is a community on the north of cyprus and u gotta negotiate with them no matter what had happened in the past...

Why is that?


hen! :wink:
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Postby DT. » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:16 pm

kurupetos wrote:
DT. wrote:
silentmoon wrote:I want to know ;
what is the main problem or issue on cyprus at the moment apart from these negotiations ?


How far APOEL will go in the Champions League this year. :D


1st prelimary round. as always. :P :lol:


to tjerrrrrraton sou :lol:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:20 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
silentmoon wrote:I want to know ;
what is the main problem or issue on cyprus at the moment apart from these negotiations ?


In my opinion, the water shortage (notwithstanding this winter's reasonable rainfall) and the prospect of desertification over the long term.


That's not a problem. we have the Med around us. There are some ongoing projects...we will see.


I have lived in Qatar so I have experienced this 'solution'. Unpalatable and unhealthy desalinated water comes from the taps. There are fewer and fewer fish in the Persian Gulf as salinity levels rise. There is a total dependence on imported bottled water to drink. All public green spaces are watered by sprinklers fed with recycled sewage, causing a noxious stench. I hope never to see these things in Cyprus but I admit it is a posibility. How much better to have enough rainwater to feed the dams.

By the way, having desalinated water in the municipal water sytems will still not address the issue of desertification, unless you propose to make masses of the stuff (which is expensive to produce) and irrigate the whole country with it.
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Postby kurupetos » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:04 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
silentmoon wrote:I want to know ;
what is the main problem or issue on cyprus at the moment apart from these negotiations ?


In my opinion, the water shortage (notwithstanding this winter's reasonable rainfall) and the prospect of desertification over the long term.


That's not a problem. we have the Med around us. There are some ongoing projects...we will see.


I have lived in Qatar so I have experienced this 'solution'. Unpalatable and unhealthy desalinated water comes from the taps. There are fewer and fewer fish in the Persian Gulf as salinity levels rise. There is a total dependence on imported bottled water to drink. All public green spaces are watered by sprinklers fed with recycled sewage, causing a noxious stench. I hope never to see these things in Cyprus but I admit it is a posibility. How much better to have enough rainwater to feed the dams.

By the way, having desalinated water in the municipal water sytems will still not address the issue of desertification, unless you propose to make masses of the stuff (which is expensive to produce) and irrigate the whole country with it.


There is a novel project under way in collaboration with MIT. Let's give them some time. :wink:
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