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Cyprus to be just another cog in the collosal US machinery?

Postby Oneness » Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:31 am

I refrained from criticism of the US on June 6th. That was one of the few US actions that served the general interest, in the biggest way possible, as well as their own interest.

So, back to normal ....

Why does the US insist on such an unworkable Plan? If they want to create goodwill between GC and TC instead of hostility and distrust why do they insist on a Plan that is not only injust but also unworkable. Could it be possible that, despite Cyprus being in EU, they secretly wish for "intervention" by Turkey so that Cyprus will become a just a cog in the USA machinery and Turkey to become closer still with the USA? Could all the talk about wanting Turkey to join the EU - to prevent a Muslim resurgence - be just a bluff?!? It might seem unlikely to some but I would never put anything past the USA.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:40 am

secretly wish for "intervention" by Turkey so that Cyprus will become a just a cog in the USA machinery


This happened already and of course it serves the interests of the Anglo-Americans.

Do you think that they want us to find a solution that will bring peace and stability? If such thing happens then not only their bases and listening points will be at risk, but they will not be able to sell as much weapons to the "motherlands" either.

Sure, right now they don't want war. But they don't want anything stable either. Fragile (but under their control) situations suit them very well, and this is one of the main reasons why the Annan plan was created like this.
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Postby insan » Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:07 pm

Would you please answer to these questions?

Why did Cyprus joined to EU? Just for protection from Turkey or to get the benefits of EU?

Does RoC also share the common policies of EU in East Mediterrenean region?

Can she reject any policies that accepted by most of the other EU countries?

Is EU one of the strongest organization of western world?


Is Nato the other strong organization of western world?

How many of the EU countries are also an ally of NATO?

Does it put EU, NATO and therefore US in strong relations?

Do they have common policies in East Mediterranean region?

Are those common policies related with international security, terrorism, smuggling etc..?

Will RoC contribute with EU and therefore NATO and US for those international issues in the region?


Being a part of western world means being a part of their common policies and contribute with them...


Even if Cyprus had been reunified, wouldn't make a differnece on western worlds common international policies in our region. As a part of the western world; Cyprus have to be a part of their common policies and contribute with them in our region.


They took everything(past events, EU memebership of Cyprus, Turkeys importance in the region, her EU reformations, EUs interests in region, Natos and US interests in region... everything related the issue and region) into consideration and made this peace plan to unify Cyprus. They negotiated it and put referandum... You know the result...


Why the 5th Annan Plan mainly were based on Turkish thesis? Because both EU and US strongly need Turkeys help and advance guard in middle east. They couldn't offend Turkey and base the Annan Plan on Greek thesis. If they did it so, all power balances in the region would have been demolished. And this is not for the benefit of EU and US...

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Postby Piratis » Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:55 pm

The number one reason that we joined the EU is security. We are just a bunch of people here and we have 60+ million country on top of us that already occupies part of our country and has expansionistic policies. Where else could we look for security? In China?

This doesn't mean that we accept all their foreign policies, but we didn't have any other options.

Also, I disagree that EU = NATO and that there is one and only "western world". On one hand you have US-UK and friends and on the other hand you have France and friends who do not accept that US can do whatever it feels like around the world. This is why US-UK support Turkey so much and want Turkey to enter the EU. Because once Turkey enters the EU, the EU will be dead and under the total control of the US.

I agree that the current balance of power is what brought to us the Annan plan. And I agree that US - EU will not go against this balance and bring a better plan to us today. Does this mean that we should just sign this or a very similar plan?
Since this plan is worst than partition, the answer comes easy. This is why 76% of GC voted "no". Also, we don't live in the ancient world anymore that empires lasted for 1000s of years. Everything changes very fast in the 21st century, so who knows, the balance of power might not be the same in 10-20 years from now.
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Postby insan » Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:52 pm

Piratis wrote:
This doesn't mean that we accept all their foreign policies, but we didn't have any other options.



It doesn't mean you'll accept... but you haven't any other options; so what does this mean?



Piratis wrote: Because once Turkey enters the EU, the EU will be dead and under the total control of the US.



An economicaly and socially proper Turkey will enter EU you know... there's no other way for any country to get access to the union... I don't agree that EU will be dead because of Turkeys accession..



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Since this plan is worst than partition, the answer comes easy. This is why 76% of GC voted "no". Also, we don't live in the ancient world anymore that empires lasted for 1000s of years. Everything changes very fast in the 21st century, so who knows, the balance of power might not be the same in 10-20 years from now.


Perhasps there will be no community named Cypriot in Cyprus if everything is probable in 10-15 years time...
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:23 am

It doesn't mean you'll accept... but you haven't any other options; so what does this mean?

It means that RC is way too small to change the general EU policies. What we are trying to do is change their policies that directly affect us.

An economicaly and socially proper Turkey will enter EU you know... there's no other way for any country to get access to the union... I don't agree that EU will be dead because of Turkeys accession..


When I say "dead" I mean that the idea of a strong EU that can play a role in international politics will be dead. Economy and society are not the only criteria. There are some other "silent" criteria. France and friends, and many in Germany do not want a Turkey that soon will have a population bigger than them in the EU. This will mean that another US alie will be in, and that EU will be totally controlled by the US.

Perhasps there will be no community named Cypriot in Cyprus if everything is probable in 10-15 years time...

Unlike empires that come and go and the balance of power that keeps changing we have been on this island for millennia. So I am sure we will be here when the next shift of balance of power will happen.
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