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Postby RAFAELLA » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:56 am

Khan wrote:My suggestion would be:

Direct flights and direct trade for TRNC in return for opening Turkeys ports to South (worth some $2bn in trade) and a reduction in Turkish troops.


This is Tr's obligation towards EU, the members of EU.
CyR has nothing to do with it , why should CyR give something in exchange/return for Tr to open her ports etc?
Illogical.
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Postby Khan » Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:58 pm

RAFAELLA wrote:
Khan wrote:My suggestion would be:

Direct flights and direct trade for TRNC in return for opening Turkeys ports to South (worth some $2bn in trade) and a reduction in Turkish troops.


This is Tr's obligation towards EU, the members of EU.
CyR has nothing to do with it , why should CyR give something in exchange/return for Tr to open her ports etc?
Illogical.


The same can be said for why TRNC should have to bargain for what it rightly deserves. Let me quote Kofi Annan from a press statement on his behalf: "he hopes that ways will be found to ease the plight in which the people find themselves through no fault of their own"

http://www.cyprus-un-plan.org/UNIQUE_AN ... MISSED.pdf

Why is it so difficult for GC administration to show some goodwill to TC's and release aid and ease trade restrictions, why do they adopt such a hostile position in which TC's should be forced to give concessions through economic deprivation. Their only sowing the seeds for more resentment.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:03 pm

Viewpoint wrote: The only thing now for us is the English and EU presidency, will they apply pressure for direct trade and financial aid, thats what the papers say today. The American are also cooking something with regards to taking steps with regards to removal od isolation. That why I feel time is not working in Tassos's favour.


VP I understand your desire to advance economically but on the other hand you must also understand this cannot be done without satisfying also the desire of the GCs to get their properties, homes, and lands back. So imo both sides desires should start getting satisfied simultaneously through a process that would lead to resolving the Cyprob.One first step could be the complete demilitarisation, another step could be what Papadopoulos proposed for Varoshia, or any other step could be agreed.
If none of these steps happens then both you and us will be waiting for ever.

Whatever pressure the US or the British will apply will not be enough for us to commit suicide.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:10 pm

MicAtCyp its a matter of who will take the first step and getting around the table, why dont GCs take the first step and get both sides talking without any outsiders?

For me personally I would get rid of all the army tomorrow on both sides and take stock of GC demands regarding the property issue by way of a concesus as to how many would return and how many would sell (same for TCs) this would allow us to evaluate exactly what we are dealing with but we have to also take into account the current practicalities of our situation.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:56 am

As long as the TC's wish to live seperately from us and deny us our basic rights to live where we choose in our own country in perpertuity then the problem will never be solved.
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Postby metecyp » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:21 am

mikkie2 wrote:As long as the TC's wish to live seperately from us and deny us our basic rights to live where we choose in our own country in perpertuity then the problem will never be solved.

Tell your leaders to stop looking for a bicommunal bizonal federation and ask for a unitary state then!
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Postby -mikkie2- » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:45 pm

Bizonal, bicommunal federatio does not mean having to limit peoples right to live anywhere they wish in their own country. A BBF can be set up without having to put these restrictions on people.
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Postby metecyp » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:22 pm

Bizonal, bicommunal federatio does not mean having to limit peoples right to live anywhere they wish in their own country. A BBF can be set up without having to put these restrictions on people.

We talked about this before, how bizonality does not mean anything if there isn't some kind of restrictions to maintain TCs as majority in TCCS. If you want to discuss about the details of these limits (like percentage, duration, etc.), we can do that. Otherwise, it's waste of time to talk about a bizonal federation with no limits.
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Postby Dhavlos » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:02 pm

Bizonality can only exist if 'property rights' are restricted.

'Property rights' can exist if a bizonality is disregarded.

It is the harsh truth
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