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After 36 years in the EU, the UK still LOVES paying fines!

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

Postby JimB » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:36 pm

Get Real! wrote::shock: Oh no Jimbo… look! Someone has started a permanent…

“The British are committing War Crimes”

…thread for the sole purpose of rubbing your snotty British nose in the dirt on a daily basis! :D

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26479

What will you do now? :cry:

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The British are committing War Crimes...
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:10 am

3:10am ! What's up fella, couldn't sleep? Something troubling you?


Ah well - lets take a look at what you've got.

Hmmm.

2 posts which refer to the same thing. Namely an inquiry and subsequent prosecution of a member of the British Armed Forces for mistreatment of a prisoner.

OK - I'm going to go through this slowly for you Unkie GR. I understand that this could be difficult for you to keep up with.

Lets work from the Independent article - it goes into greater detail.

'British troops in Iraq routinely used interrogation methods banned by the Government in 1972 and did not think they were illegal, the inquiry into his death was told. '

Banned by the Government means that the UK does not sanction nor condone this practice and has made it illegal. The troops were undertaking a practice which was NOT sanctioned by the state.

The inquiry was conducted and instituted by the UK government and an extensive investigation was conducted into the allegation. This investigation involved several law agencies and direct testament from all concerned. The press and the home office were included.

Let's skip to the end of the article ....

Cpl Payne became the first member of the British Armed Forces to be convicted of a war crime when he pleaded guilty to inhumanely treating civilians at a court martial in September 2006.

First - a singular event. One of a kind. Not a regular occurrence.
convicted - found guilty of an offence.

He was dismissed from the Army and sentenced to one year in a civilian jail.

Dismissed - sacked, got rid of, thrown out.
Sentenced - a judgement or penalty which has been handed down in respect of an offence for which a person has been convicted.

Six other soldiers who faced the court martial were all cleared on all counts in March 2007.

Still only the one person then - hardly a state sponsored action.

The Ministry of Defence agreed in July last year to pay £2.83m in compensation to the families of Mr Mousa and nine other Iraqi men mistreated by British troops.

A substantial sum of cash given to the victims of the crime. Whilst it can never replace or compensate for a loss of life or for being subjected to torture it is, at least more than a token gesture or apology.

David Barr, counsel for the Ministry of Defence, said the "appalling" behaviour of British soldiers in the case "disgusted" the Army.

It was the MoD that made the prosecution.

Public apology and official statement on the case follows.

He told the inquiry: "It is with huge regret that the Ministry of Defence acknowledges the way in which some of those techniques were used on Baha Mousa and those detained with him.

"The mistreatment of the detainees went further than the application of these prohibited conditioning techniques.

"They were clearly subjected to brutal violence as well. Conditioning techniques alone do not cause such injuries.

"The brutality was completely unacceptable. It has stained the reputation of the British Army."


Cpl Payne's barrister, Michael Topolski QC, said the former soldier hoped that the inquiry would provide a "clearer and fuller picture" of what happened.

Mr Topolski said: "Donald Payne has accepted and he does accept that he violated his duty to those detainees.

"For that, through us, now without hesitation he wishes to publicly apologise to each of them and in particular to the family of Baha Mousa."



So - GR. Take a look at my post above and then re-read this post and the article that you've helpfully provided a link to.

Notice any similarities?

You really want me to challenge you to come up with evidence of your own country's willingness to lay bare it's policies to public scrutiny and it's ceaseless fight to stamp out corruption where ever it may be found?

You really want me to start providing links to all the examples of malfeasance and corruption in public office?

Have you ever heard of the expression 'trying to polish a turd'?

Didn't expect you to use your nose to try it ....

Still got a little ... errrmmmmm ... on the end of it. Hmmmm yeah.

Looking forward to your next post at 04.20am

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Postby JimB » Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:
JimB wrote:
Get Real! wrote:You need not analyze the UK’s follies in this thread Jimbo, because it’s just a small and simple 10 minute sample of what could come your way if you insist on making one-sided bitchy posts against Cyprus while ignoring your homeland’s EU embarrassments!

Referring to your spiteful post at:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus26436-10.html

So, don’t make me take you seriously Jimbo because you just wouldn’t survive my relentless UK torment! :)

Warningly yours, Unkie! :D


Don't patronise me old man. You had your opportunity and you blew it.

My post on that thread was a) relevant to the topic being discussed - illegal hunting and membership of the EU ('should the EU even have a say in Cyprus?), b) factual in content and c) able to withstand scrutiny. Can you say the same about yours???

As far as being spiteful is concerned I'm not the one who started an entirely separate thread with the sole intention of trying to belittle me. And I quote
'NB: This thread is dedicated to Jimbo (who runs the brit-ignoramous.com forum) who laughed at Cyprus being fined by the EU for various offences.'

I fear your words are a vague reflection of the man. Impotent and without substance or meaning.

Let's face it 'Unkie GR' your just pissed at the Narnia quip aren't you?

I'm off out for a pint with my mates.

Take it your going to stay in and try to come up with a witty response ....

:roll:

So you still think Cyprus has a monopoly on paying EU fines eh? :lol:

What about cruelty to animals? You think Cypriots have a monopoly in that too? Hmm let's see...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 316#497316


Let me know when you’re ready to move on to British Human rights abuses and War Crimes!

I’ll swiftly rub your nose in the dung where it belongs Jimbo… :lol:




Right, third times the charm eh old man?

You wanna dance over British Human rights abuses? Bring it on.

You already know what angle I'm going to take so make it good and do your research.

Have to make this the last one mind - we're monopolising the forum and that ain't fair.

Still have to post a link to youtube where your Prez tries to blame climate change on the Turks ..... classic.

Anybody else use the high occupancy lane into Nicosia?

What's that? It's gone! It cost a bloody fortune :shock:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:55 pm

Here you go Jimbo… :)

Now we have a full set of British threads which will be updated on a regular basis for your perusal! Your job will be to represent your country by speaking on it’s behalf with your defense for each and every case and we can assure you that we will always give you the benefit of the doubt to start with! 8)

Btw, I hope you’ve got heaps of time because the UK churns out a LOT of stories that are suitable for these fine threads p/week! Good luck… :wink:


The UK’s Human Rights Abuses Portfolio…
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26497

The British animal cruelty shame file!
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26472

After 36 years in the EU, the UK still LOVES paying fines!
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26462

The British are committing War Crimes...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26479

Btw, I’m considering adding a British pedophile thread… what do you think? :?

Regards, Unkie GR! :D
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Postby JimB » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:Here you go Jimbo… :)

Now we have a full set of British threads which will be updated on a regular basis for your perusal! Your job will be to represent your country by speaking on it’s behalf with your defense for each and every case and we can assure you that we will always give you the benefit of the doubt to start with! 8)

Btw, I hope you’ve got heaps of time because the UK churns out a LOT of stories that are suitable for these fine threads p/week! Good luck… :wink:


The UK’s Human Rights Abuses Portfolio…
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26497

The British animal cruelty shame file!
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26472

After 36 years in the EU, the UK still LOVES paying fines!
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26462

The British are committing War Crimes...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26479

Btw, I’m considering adding a British pedophile thread… what do you think? :?

Regards, Unkie GR! :D


Hey Unkie GR,

Good to hear from you fella!

No time to take a look at your Human Rights bit (though Oracle certainly seems to be impressed :? ) as I'm off out again.

Could you perhaps do me a favour and strip out any violations which have also been committed in Cyprus and b) where no fine or judgement has actually been passed - give you a hint - just because Amnesty International raise an objection to something doesn't actually mean that a breach has occurred ....

Also don't forget that Human Rights legislation can only be breached by the State. An individual or company cannot fall foul of it unless they are acting in an official government capacity and performing in line with procedures.

RichardB's post on vivisection looks more promising but that isn't really limited to the UK and isn't technically a cruelty case as it's been sanctioned in law. As distasteful as the subject is (and I don't condone it in any way) we are all benefiting from the extra 30+ years on our mortality rate that these poor buggers have given us. Still, it's heartening to see the progress that the UK is making trying to force the EU to accept even more stringent controls and law's on the procedures with a more dramatic target being set to hopefully get rid of it all together.

More on that later hey.

On policing your posts .... nah - like I said third times the charm and I'm out of here.

You haven't come up with anything interesting so far (HR aside for now) and only two people out of over 250 plus views could be bothered to come to your defence (and one of those possibly has a problem with the nuances of the language bless him - no offence intended). Not sure that it would be fair on the rest of the forum members to keep this 'tete a tete' going.

Catch up with you later old man.

Sleep tight.

PS - If you want to start a paedophile link then that's up to you. Freedom of speech and expression and all that. I personally don't have any experience with it but hey, what ever 'floats your boat' old man.

Seem to recall a different thread being removed by admin at the request of Oracle though when you tried it before (may be wrong but hey ho). Does appear that you have an unnatural interest in it ..... something you want to get off your chest?

Just be careful about trying to label the whole UK as a bunch of paedophiles - don't think it would help your popularity. Least of all with the forum administrators.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:29 pm

RE:
JimB wrote:Guess what - they don't give a flying f about your culture, your antiquated views or anything else really apart from levying higher and higher fines on you for failing to do what your told. They will take back every single cent with interest and then keep on going till there's nothing left - you guy's just keep giving them the excuses to do it (CO2 emissions, human rights abuses, failing to implement EU directives, the list goes on).



Hurry up Jimbo, your country needs you! 8)


UK government fined for violation of right to privacy

THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights has ordered the British government to pay €7,500 in costs and expenses to the UK human rights organisation Liberty for violating its right to privacy by intercepting its telecommunications.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/surveillance-b ... vacy/4023/


UK government fined £75m for late farm payments

“The British government is being fined a total of £75m for failing to get farmers' single farm payments out on time.”

http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2008/12/1 ... ments.html
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:41 pm

Hey Jimbo,

“The UK’s corrupt politician’s portfolio…”

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26500

…has just been added to your to-do list! 8)

Why don’t you bring your forum members over to help you out? :?

There are enough cases out there to give you all a full time job! Image
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:10 am

Britain fined £150m for failing to fly the EU flag at funded projects

Brussels has fined Britain more than £150million for failing to display the EU flag on a string of projects part-funded by Europe.
Several schemes were also penalised for failing to use the flag on their letterheads.

The fines relate to £3.8billion given to the UK by the European Regional Development Fund over a seven-year period.

The fund has contributed to dozens of projects including the Eden Project, in Cornwall, the Millennium Bridge, in Gateshead, and the redevelopment of Liverpool’s King’s Dock.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... jects.html
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