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Is PKK terorist or guerialla?

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Postby theg » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:57 pm

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my dear friend can u say which terror group is defended by us? pls try to look action unprejudiced. if we defend terror they dont kill our people.


Your army is the terrorist group, which is much worst than any other terrorist organization since it is supported by the people of your country and therefore you personally have also part of the blame for their terrorist actions.

Your army is using terror and force to violate the human rights of 100s of thousands of people. It is 100 times worst than Al-Qaida.

man did you look this photo
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this is not turkish general and this general dont work for turkish army (ı think) whose army defend terror?
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Postby brother » Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:14 pm

EU envoy says no sympathy for PKK



Thursday, July 28, 2005

'Some in Turkey have concerns that more democracy and more human rights will weaken or endanger the country. But we believe that is not going to happen," says Kretschmer, the head of the EU Commission Delegation to Turkey
ANKARA - Turkish Daily News

  Head of the European Union Commission Delegation to Turkey Hansjoerg Kretschmer said on Wednesday that the EU had no sympathy for Turkey's Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) terrorist group and its jailed leader Abdullah Öcalan.

  The Turkish government has toughened its criticism over outside support for the PKK, which has recently stepped up its terrorist attacks in Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdog<breve>an earlier this month urged Western countries to do more to help Turkey combat the PKK and complained that members of the group living in EU countries were either not arrested or, even if they were, were not being extradited to Turkey.

  Both the United States and the EU have declared the PKK to be terrorists. "We do not have any sympathy for the terrorist organization and its leader," said Kretschmer, speaking to the Anatolia news agency during a tour in the southeastern province of Ad?yaman.

  Dismissing speculation that there were discussions within the EU regarding the possibility of releasing Öcalan, Kretschmer said: "This is baseless speculation. It is out of the question to free people who have been found guilty of terrorism.?

  ?Abdullah Öcalan has been convicted of terrorism," he said in response to another question over the EU's perception of the PKK and its leader.

  Öcalan was initially sentenced to death for treason in 1999, but his sentence was later commuted to life imprisonment after Turkey scrapped the death penalty to bolster its bid to enter the EU.

  Ambassadors of EU-member countries to Turkey have recently voiced concern over growing PKK activities and clashes, calling for social and economic measures to improve the living standards in the impoverished Southeast of the country. Turkey is expected to begin accession talks with the bloc on Oct. 3.

  Kretschmer said Turkey should embrace a liberal democratic system and a liberal market economy on this path to EU membership. While pointing out the reforms Ankara has made so far to meet the union's criteria, the EU envoy said there was still a lot to do. "Some in Turkey have concerns that more democracy and more human rights will weaken or endanger the country. But we believe that is not going to happen," he said.

  A strong, stable and prosperous Turkey is in the interests of the 25-nation bloc and hence its membership was supported, said Kretschmer. "Any country that enters the EU will join as a whole. That's why political and economic reforms should be made all around the country. It is vital that all parts of the country -- East and Southeast -- should benefit from these basic reforms.?

  The EU envoy, after a visit to the Mt. Nemrut tourist attraction, urged Europeans to travel to those areas where Turkey has a wealth of cultural heritage. "Tourism that invigorates this region will play a role both in economic and social aspects. Improving the economy in this region and in Turkey is crucial to Turkey's EU membership.?

 
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Postby Turkey (( * » Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:44 pm

brother wrote:'Some in Turkey have concerns that more democracy and more human rights will weaken or endanger the country. But we believe that is not going to happen," says Kretschmer, the head of the EU Commission Delegation to Turkey.


This is the most stupid thing ever said in the whole universe!!! Who the heck would say that unless they want a country to crash!!
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Postby theg » Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:36 pm

brother


i want to ask u sth where can pkk take guns from? from space or dreamland or from god?


man from 7 months we lost 196 soldiers from burst of mine this mine come from italian. do you know this? i think italia is our frieand and EU country. they stab us from our back. how can EU no sympathy for PKK.


and i can give your so much specimen like
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this is a greek general.

they take money come from norway. bla bla bla......
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Postby 2fan » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:33 pm

Release Ocalan? That would be the final insult. It will never happen. If Turkey doesnt join the EU, guess what punishment gets put back on the books? Death penalty! Bye bye Ocalan.
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Postby brother » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:49 am

Dear Turkey and Theg,

My last post was meant to start a debate and not reflect my opinions hence your comments are wrongly directed at me, i am also aware of the turkish losses but i believe you should take note of what the IRA done yesterday and that was through countless discussions with the british and amnesty, if we do not want to lose anymore soilders then we should take a pragmatic approach to the situation.

The problem with Turks is they only see as far as there nose when they should be looking 10-20 years ahead into the future to be able to ensure circumstances go their way.
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Postby Murtaza » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:14 am

2fan wrote:Release Ocalan? That would be the final insult. It will never happen. If Turkey doesnt join the EU, guess what punishment gets put back on the books? Death penalty! Bye bye Ocalan.


Yes, we should release him, and I am sure, someone will kill him. This is less than what he deserve.

Brother If we dont trust EU, I am sure you will not accuse us, As A TC do you trust EU? Did they held their promise against you?

Most of the EU country was supporting PKK. So I dont see any reason for listening them at this topic.look the laws British trying to put, Did anyone accuse them? That laws are worse than ours.

But you are right we should make something, If we dont want our soldier killed.

The problem with Turks is they only see as far as there nose when they should be looking 10-20 years ahead into the future to be able to ensure circumstances go their way.

yes, that is true. We waste to much energy for trying to become a western country. This project is failed. Why do you think we will enter EU at 10-20 year, or what will be our gain?

I think Turkey should not abandon, any of their vital interest.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:00 pm

brother wrote:Dear Turkey and Theg,

My last post was meant to start a debate and not reflect my opinions hence your comments are wrongly directed at me, i am also aware of the turkish losses but i believe you should take note of what the IRA done yesterday and that was through countless discussions with the british and amnesty, if we do not want to lose anymore soilders then we should take a pragmatic approach to the situation.

The problem with Turks is they only see as far as there nose when they should be looking 10-20 years ahead into the future to be able to ensure circumstances go their way.



1.Do not underestimate our capacity, Brother!!
2.Stop comparing Turkey's business with the West because things do not work out like that in our region.
3.I think you still didn't comment on my amnesty question.What if they used amnesty the wrong way and started bombing the cities??
4.We are responding to an attack brother, they attacked us, you cannot talk to somebody who is holding a gun because he can easily kill you but if you have a gun circumstances change!!
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Postby brother » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:48 pm

Turkey tatli kardesim,

Amnesty would be the way forward but if they took advantage and did bomb your cities i am sure the goverment would react in kind but any how when you give an amnesty that usually means complete disarmament hence no guns no terror.

I do not under estimate any one or any thing as a general rule but mine was a comment based on past performance, for example had Turkey taken the ROC application for EU membership on board seriousley and devised a stratergy do you think they would be a member right now, so stop getting defensive.

4.We are responding to an attack brother, they attacked us, you cannot talk to somebody who is holding a gun because he can easily kill you but if you have a gun circumstances change!!


This eye for an eye attitude is like 'kan davasi' nobody ever wins just both sides in turn lose many good men hence negotiations and a simple pragmatic approach to the situation would probably yield better results, don't you think.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:54 pm

This eye for an eye attitude is like 'kan davasi' nobody ever wins just both sides in turn lose many good men hence negotiations and a simple pragmatic approach to the situation would probably yield better results, don't you think.


So what do you want brother?? We wait until we lose so many people then react to their attack or lose less and stop them at once??How can you negotiate with people who are attacking you at the moment, trying to divide your country to make it their own and do negative propaganda on you in the World??


Amnesty would be the way forward but if they took advantage and did bomb your cities i am sure the goverment would react in kind but any how when you give an amnesty that usually means complete disarmament hence no guns no terror.


Brother it does usually mean disarmament, but how can you feel so relaxed and good about it saying "oh, let's just try it, and if they bomb and kill 100+ people in a city the government will just answer the same way...blahdiblahdiblah", you are seriously living in a dream world bro', I can't believe you!!

PLUS, until they ended their ceasefire we didn't do anything against them, they could just continue with peace BUT NOOO, that didn't suit them did it!![/quote]
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