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Super Power RoC or Papadopulos thinks so..?

Postby insan » Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:42 am

Papadopoulos think that by the passage of time the adverse effect of the Greek Cypriot “No” at April referendum would die down and, with the help of the EU, the Greek Cypriot would overwhelm Turkey. That must be the reasoning behind the call for “Long struggle!: In order to get a date for the start of accession negotiations Turkey would formally recognize the Republic of Cyprus opening an embassy in Ankara and when Turkey becomes a member of the EU it would have to withdraw its troops from Cyprus. Thus, Papadopoulos without making any concessions, the Greek Cypriots would be able to return to their homeland and the Greek Cypriot administration would extend its sovereignty all over the EU Island”.
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This dream of Papadopoulos is bound to lead the island to a definitive partition.
Here it’s worth remembering an ironic remark by Clerides.
Some diplomats reportedly asked the former leader about his views on the future of Cyprus. Clerides replied, “We believed the world was single polar and the United States was the single super power. But, apparently we were wrong. It was bi-polar with two super powers around: one being the US and the other the Administration of Papadopulos”.
Papdopoulos with 75% “No”s in his mind is following policies that are most likely lead Greek Cypriot people as disaster, trying to do away with the aim of a United Cyprus and challenging the world by manipulating the EU.
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With the policies of Papadopoulos, not the Greeks and the Turks are bound to suffer and end up in disaster.
This is as clear as daylight for everyone to see.



http://www.cyprusmedianet.com/TR/article/24630
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Postby michalis5354 » Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:25 pm

I asked sometimes myslef :

Is Papadopoulos happy with the division and occupation of the island ? Is one of those ENOSIS Nationalist ?
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Postby Oneness » Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:54 pm

The TCs and GCs should be united in a negotiating process with Turkey rather than GC's negotiating with TC's and colonists. That is the way Cypriots generally will get a better deal.

the Greek Cypriot administration would extend its sovereignty all over the EU Island”.



There is no doubting Papdopoulos tactical and negotiation skills which he learnt with EOKA and in private law practise. The question is what is he fighting for?

Is it justice for Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots or is it domination of Papadopoulos administration over the whole island. In other words, is this a struggle for the people or is it a greedy personal mission ? Yes, everything is at stake here ... the future of our island ...
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Postby Piratis » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:56 pm

The biggest disaster is already avoided. Nothing can be worst than Annan partition plan. (partition of Cyprus with our signature + paying for it .. are they kidding us?)
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Postby metecyp » Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:12 am

The biggest disaster is already avoided. Nothing can be worst than Annan partition plan. (partition of Cyprus with our signature + paying for it .. are they kidding us?)

So what do you expect now? God will drop a plan in the middle of Nicosia that will solve all our problems? Can't you see that we either have the Annan plan or the partition? Why don't you stop fooling around and tell us that you want partition?
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:52 pm

But Annan plan is partition. So if you are right and we have to take either Annan plan or partition then we actually have no choice and there is no alternative to partition.

if you are right then "regular" partition is better than Annan partition.

But there is one more option that I agree is vague, but its the only alternative. The option is "something better in the future".

We are like a person with the HIV virus and the doctor (Annan) tells us: "There is no cure for AIDS, the best I can do for you is euthanasia." Although no other alternatives exist today, most probably the person with the HIV will prefer to keep his life hoping that a cure will be found.
Thats what we do. The only deference is that in our case "euthanasia" (in the form of Annan plan) will cause a lot more pain and problems than a natural death.
But before you prepare our funeral rememember that we are still alive, and we are not going to give up.
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Postby insan » Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:49 pm

Personally I am here because I trully want to find a solution that will be accepted by the majorities of both GC and TC (settlers not included).


piratis,

It was officially stated by RoC that 50.000 citizenships have been granted to foreigners since 1974...

And it was officially stated by TRNC that 45.000 citizenships have been granted to foreigners since 1974...



So what's the problem with it?

What do you mean by refering settlers?

Why you don't want those settlers voting?


Those settlers who are registered, had been brung/allowed to North 30-20 years ago...

Do you want all of them to leave Cyprus?

Or do you want their children and grandchildren to leave Cyprus?


We still don't know what exactly you think about the settlers...

How many of the registered settlers should be allowed to stay?


30.000? Their children and grandchildren not included?
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:59 pm

1)TRNC does not exist, and there is no such thing as "TRNC citizenship".
2)Settlers that voted are a lot more than 45.000
3)50.000 in 700.000 is a small number that can not determine any result, while your settlers can and no result can be achieved without their vote.
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Postby mehmet » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:15 pm

TRNC exists as much as RoC, or was I dreaming all my life and I wake up and imagine we had been living peacefully together throughout the time under the constitution agree in 1959. I was having having nightmares that Turkish Cypriots were outside of the political life of Cyprus. I was even having illusions that EOKA reformed and tried and succeeded with Greece's help to overthrow Makarios. I was so paranoid in my sleep I imagined that Greek and Turkish Cypriots had been forced to leave their homes, their villages, their land and had to live separately. My dream ws so bad that I imagined that the education system had been taken over by nationalists and that we had grown up thinking the worst of each other and only good things about ourselves. I'm so glad now I am awake to realise that TRNC diesn't exist and that all those bad things never happened and to find out that RoC is working exactly how intended.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:34 pm

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