Austria pours cold water on Turkey’s EU bid
 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:56 pm |
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| fi |
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From what I have read on this forum I don't see a real European desire by Turkish members. Joining the EU means making a lot of sacrifices. It means trusting other people and giving up power. People must think european...
The EU means human rights, respect for minorities and freedom of thought.
It's no cristian club or whatever, Europe wants and protects diversity.
AND of course!!!! It means that you CAN'T threaten other countries with force if they don't do what you want. It's just not the european way!!
Oh and of course Turkey didn't protect Europe from the Russians or the Germans!! Where do you people get your history!!!!! Remember what Churchill said: "The Greek don't fight like heroes but heroes fight like Greeks" and later the allies went to backstab democracy in Greece. |
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Yes, we are not ready for EU.
Why should we? werent they supported PKK? at cyprus problem cyprus. At Armenian problem They supported Armenia. Why should we trust them?
And They didnt ever hold their promise.
Fi can you give me one reason to trust EU? If this is European way, Well It wont benetif us much. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:29 pm |
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| Im getting more and more the impression that Turkey doesnt trust anyone except themselves ( except offcourse minorities inside Turkey). |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:55 pm |
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| Yes you are right. We dont trust others much. Maybe bosnians or albanians ext. but not much nation. Do you think this is a mistake? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:21 pm |
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| Yiannis wrote: |
| Im getting more and more the impression that Turkey doesnt trust anyone except themselves ( except offcourse minorities inside Turkey). |
Do you blame the Turks for not trusting anyone? What may seem like paranoia to you is reality for others. Turkey is enveloped by hostile forces. Russia, Syria, Iran, Armenia, Turkish and Iraqi Kurds and until recently Greece. They have constantly been fighting for survival and are always being manipulated with bullshit promises. The latest being membership in the EU. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:40 pm |
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| fi wrote: |
From what I have read on this forum I don't see a real European desire by Turkish members. Joining the EU means making a lot of sacrifices. It means trusting other people and giving up power. People must think european...
The EU means human rights, respect for minorities and freedom of thought.
It's no cristian club or whatever, Europe wants and protects diversity.
NAME ONE NATION IN THE EU THAT IS MOSTLY ISLAMIC.
AND of course!!!! It means that you CAN'T threaten other countries with force if they don't do what you want. It's just not the european way!
WHAT COUNTRIES HAS TURKEY THREATENED IN THE EU?
Oh and of course Turkey didn't protect Europe from the Russians or the Germans!! Where do you people get your history!!!!! Remember what Churchill said: "The Greek don't fight like heroes but heroes fight like Greeks" and later the allies went to backstab democracy in Greece. |
IF YOU READ ORIGINAL POST I SAID THE U.S. AND TURKEY.
DURING WW2 IF IT WEREN'T FOR AMERICA DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE ALLIES WOULD HAVE WON AGAINST THE NAZIS?
DURING THE COLD WAR WHAT COUNTRIES WERE MOST INTRUMENTAL IN COMBATING COMMUNISM. IN THE KOREAN WAR, AND IN VIETNAM.
58000 AMERICANS DIED FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY IN VIET NAM NOT FOR OIL AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR RICE.
AS FAR AS THE KOREAN WAR IS CONCERNED GO LOOK UP THE "TURKISH BRIGADE" AND READ WHAT THE AMERICANS SAID ABOUT TURKISH VALOR.
YOU KNOW I TRY TO BE BALANCED ON THIS FORUM BUT SOME OF YOU LIKE TO REWRITE HISTORY AND DO DO NOT GIVE CREDIT TO THOSE WHO DESERVE IT. IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH FROM A DONKEY. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:44 pm |
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| Chill out guys i was just making an observation. Its not like i offended Turkish people or smthing. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:55 pm |
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Do you blame the Turks for not trusting anyone? What may seem like paranoia to you is reality for others. Turkey is enveloped by hostile forces. Russia, Syria, Iran, Armenia, Turkish and Iraqi Kurds and until recently Greece. They have constantly been fighting for survival and are always being manipulated with bullshit promises. The latest being membership in the EU.[/quote]
Let's just think for a moment that you are right in claiming that Turkey is surrounded by hostile countries/nations that are after it...
So, can you name one reason why a political/cultural/financial union like EU would like to accept a country which still hasn't managed to solve its own issues with its neighbours into this union? Why should we "share" your problems with your neighbours (especially when we're talking about Asian /non European countries)?
Perhaps you should try and solve your problems with your neighbouring countries first (if these problems exist in reality) and then talk about EU admission... |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:21 pm |
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[quote="2fan"][quote="fi"]
NAME ONE NATION IN THE EU THAT IS MOSTLY ISLAMIC.
True, non of the EU countries is "mostly islamic" or exclusively islamic. But that's hardly a surprise is it? In other words, the Islamic element is a minority -up to now, year 2005- in all EU countries for reasons, well, purely historical (hope Austria/Vienna rings a bell)...
Also, I'm sure you are aware that in Europe we favour the religious tolerance and most EU countries are "laic" states so your question is out of date...
On the other hand all EU countries have large percentages of Islamists (my native country Greece included as you are probably aware) anymore. Now my friend, can you tell me what is the Christian element in Turkey (which percentage of your population)?
Don't get me wrong, I'm only trying to tell you that blaming Europe for being an exlcusively christian club is a very out of date accusation anymore...
Perhaps the fact that Turkey has turned into an exclusively islamic club this should worry you even more (or at least should worry you more if you favour religious tolerance)...
WHAT COUNTRIES HAS TURKEY THREATENED IN THE EU?
Leaving Cyprus aside (so that you do not accuse me of being partial), just to remind you that your leaders have times and times again threatened (some sort of vague, absurd -and well, I must admit at times laughable- threat, the kind of "you'll see what will happen to you (!)) Europe if we don't accept you in the EU... This is well documented. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:21 pm |
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| sophisticatedbeggar wrote: |
| Perhaps you should try and solve your problems with your neighbouring countries first (if these problems exist in reality) and then talk about EU admission... |
As the 'RoC' did (not) before it's own admission into the EU? |
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