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[Bananiot]

The security issue was over blown out of proportion by AKEL in order to justify their inexplicable "soft no". While the UN were looking for ways to address this issue, Papadopoulos sent Akelite foreign minister Iacovou to Moscow, to secure a Russian veto at the Security Council to the proposed resolution that was to address Akel's "fears".

The A plan on security basically copies the 1959 Constitution but its miles better. It allows the EU a direct say before a guarantor power exercises the right to intervene. Apart from this, its difficult for me to imagine how Turkey or Greece or Britain come to that, could in the very near future be involved in old style politics when all three countries are in the UN abiding by the fledgeling constitution of the EU.

Our "no" meant the situation remaining as it is today with 35 000 fully armed turkish soldiers in the island and sadly without a solution. After the solution just a token number of 650 turkish soldiers would remain and when people argue that this is unacceptable then these people need to explain how they sleep in the night when 50 times more turkish soldiers are just a stone's throw away from their doorstep.

Therefore, the security issue was really just another excuse to damp the A plan. That is ok, but we need to be told the alternative. What is this magical solution we are after which will leave zero foreign soldiers on the island and how will we pursue this solution and with what allies and by what means, that is, if you agree that politics is the art of the feesible.

Am I a fanatical supporter of the A plan, as Piratis suggests? The answer is clearly no, I would support another, better plan, when it materiales. However, history and experience teaches me that the next plan that will be thrown at us won't be as good as the A plan. Take for example the issue of the settlers. How many will there be after 10 or 20 years? The figure of 41 000 that would remain if the A plan was accepted would look like peanuts to the figure we would be discussing then.

[metecyp]

Therefore, the security issue was really just another excuse to damp the A plan. That is ok, but we need to be told the alternative. What is this magical solution we are after which will leave zero foreign soldiers on the island and how will we pursue this solution and with what allies and by what means, that is, if you agree that politics is the art of the feesible.

That's the key! There are many things in the Annan plan that I don't like either. But is there an alternative? I don't think so and I don't see a completely different plan that might be acceptable by everyone materializing in the near future. So the people who rejected the Annan plan should tell us what's the alternative and how we'll get there (in less than 40 years, if possible, please!)

[Piratis]

Therefore, the security issue was really just another excuse

Excuse? Turkey has already prooven that it can invade Cyprus and occupy it without carying about UN resolutions and such. I am sorry, but it is not an excuse at all.

[mehmet]

I agree, Turkey has shown it would not allow Greece to destabilise Cyprus, overthrow President, impose a thug as a replacement and trust the security forces under this man to maintian peace and stability for Cypriots (both Greek and Turkish).

If there is seriously no intention to return to past policies towards Turkish Cypriots than there will be no 'excuse' for Turkey to again maintain our securty (which ROC wasn't doing).

I said before I don't believe Greece will ever again try to get involved in Cyprus politics to the same point again. The threat of Turkey is overstated for propoganda purposes.

[Piratis]

Turkey used as an excuse the events of 74 to occupy Cyprus.

There is absolutely no excuse for the crime of the invasion, and people that support the occupation of Cyprus are nothing less than criminals.

[mehmet]

Perhaps for you EOKA and the Greek state overthrowing the President of Cyprus and replacing him with a criminal who boast how many Turks he kill is an excuse. The criminals are on your side of the border, not in the Turkish Cypriots that welcome the Turkish army.

[mehmet]

More than that, you allow those criminals to come out of jail and go around RoC like they are heroes. they are not our heroes. are they your's?

[Piratis]

Perhaps for you EOKA and the Greek state overthrowing the President of Cyprus and replacing him with a criminal who boast how many Turks he kill is an excuse.

This could be a very good reason for an operation to restore order and bring back democracy and the legal president. But it can not be an excuse for 30 years of occupation!

[Piratis]

More than that, you allow those criminals to come out of jail and go around RoC like they are heroes. they are not our heroes. are they your's?

To whom are you referring to??
Personally I haven't seen anybody alive hailed as a hero. I am afraid you are a victim of propaganda again.

[Bananiot]

Piratis, I suggest you tell everybody here what the real, pragmatic alternative to the A plan is. Also, please tell us how we will pursue this goal, but, if you do not mind, spare us the melodrama. Only the real issues count and in case you are also suffering from football paroxysm, let me remind you that the real world is not a game.

I would also like to hear your views on the 1919 invasion of Turkey by Greece. Was it an invasion or a peace operation?