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Postby michalis5354 » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:13 pm

I dont believe in the conspiracy theories myself , I think If Cypriots(Both GCs and TCs) do not see their own national interest , No other country internationally will.

Gcs should understand what exactly make the TCs to worry and what their concerns are and vice versa.After all these are also Cypriots and they do care about the future of Cyprus equally as anyone.
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Postby insan » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:56 pm

I mean Greekcypriots are not evil mindeds and I am not evil minded that Iam ready to harm the Turksihcypriots . I consider both groups as Cypriots. The military officers in Turkey who tend to think that way they are out of reality.



Dear michalis5354,

They were both sides nationalists who caused; started and spreaded the intercommunal strife... I don't think that they would ever give up their old fashioned ideas and hatred in their heads.

If a unified Cyprus would have been able to materialised one day in the future, be sure of that those two well known nationalist group of both sides would use and abuse every opportunity to achieve their goal... And I have doubts whether the common state power would be able to stop the gang fight amongst those two nationalist group of both sides or give them support like in the 60s...

They are mostly rich and have strong relations with their motherland backers; perhaps even with foreigners, weapon traders etc... Anyhow weren't they the main responsibles of the past intercommunal strife and the catastrophe in Cyprus?

What do you think about this situation... There's nothing to worry about them anymore?
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Postby michalis5354 » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:51 pm

These actions happened in the past the question is "Will these happen again?" Anyone has to forsee the future according to the environment that exist now!

Thats the reason any future attempt for settlement -If any- will have to address adequatelly the security aspect which is very crucial for all. See also what I have written in my previous message.

There are countries with millions of populations ! Arent such groups of people there? For sure there are . If you establish strong Laws and you make sure these are followed then anyone has nothing to Fear! Otherwise If Laws are easy to be broken then of course there will be a problem!
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:11 pm

well, I have to admit that I have to agree with michalis on this!

I don't know what is going on in the occupied areas (gray wolves etc), but in our side, apart from a number of criminals, we do not have any groups that would take the arms and go against the state. Such things existed in 74, but not today.
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Postby insan » Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:38 pm

Are you sure?... It seems to me that still there's a little danger on both sides and can get bigger....


"Montag, Mai 10, 2004

Ultra-nationalist group threatens more attacks against Anastassiades and other ‘yes’ voters

AN obscure ultra-nationalist group yesterday claimed responsibility for Tuesday’s grenade attack against the home of DISY chief Nicos Anastassiades. In a declaration found in a phone booth outside a Limassol supermarket at noon, the self-proclaimed Cypriot Nationalist Organisation claimed responsibility for the dawn attack, which caused only minor damage, and warned “traitor” Anastassiades to resign by May 11 or else Tuesday’s incident “would constitute a minor warning”. The group accused Anastassiades of spreading lies and misinforming the outside world about the situation on the island. The organisation made threats against Anastassiades’ family and all those who voted ‘yes’ for the “treacherous plan”, stressing that Cyprus was “not for sale”. (...) Police that night foiled the plans of a neo-nazi group Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) some of whose members, along with a few from Greece, were rounded up near the Municipal Theatre in Nicosia before they could get anywhere near the rally."


http://home.pages.at/dokklar/blog/2004/ ... -more.html


"Hardcore nazis are a distasteful and dangerous political phenomenon anywhere, but it is probably only in Greece their printed materials are sold freely at every news stand and kiosk. And it is probably only in Greece that, despite numerous violent attacks in the past few years, they have had only one criminal conviction and no jail sentences. Worse, not a single parliamentary party in Greece has ever had the courage to demand that these thugs, hell bent on the obliteration of democratic rights, should be outlawed.

This appalling state of affairs is an intolerable insult to European Union, of which Greece is a member state.

The main Greek nazi organisation is Chrysi Avgi or Golden Dawn. Established in 1987, it advocates open national socialism, virulent racism and murderous antisemitism. Hitler, the Third Reich, Rudolf Hess, the Waffen SS and the swastika are Golden Dawn’s idols and emblems of choice and appear repeatedly in its publications. When the organisation organises public events, however, it prefers only to dress itself up as “nationalist” and “patriotic”.

Quite how many members Golden Dawn has is uncertain but when it stages demonstrations in the centre of Athens it always gathers at least 200 people. Apart from Athens, it has offices in six other big cities – Thessaloniki, Piraeus, Kalamata, Trikala, Volos and Korinthos – and “core groups” in 20 more together with one in Cyprus."



http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stor ... tory04.htm



"Lawyers representing Dimitris Kousouris, the 24-year-old leftist university student seriously injured in the incident and one of his companions, said yesterday that both men had recognised through photographs one of the suspects. According to reports , Antonios Androutsopoulos was recognised as one of the attackers. Aged between 35 and 40, he is a member of the Chryssi Avgi (Golden Dawn) ultra-nationalist fringe organisation."



http://www.hri.org/news/greek/apeen/199 ... apeen.html




"[03] Pontians on receiving end of death threats and 'blatant injustice'
By Martin Hellicar

POLICE were yesterday investigating death treats against Paphos' Russian Greek, or Pontian, community. The threats to "burn alive" all Pontians came from a hitherto unheard of organisation calling itself 'Golden Dawn'.

Ombudswoman Eleana Nicolaou meanwhile issued a report condemning the "racist" deportation of the head of a Russian Greek family in Paphos.

The Pontian community in Paphos has a bad reputation, often shouldering the blame for rising crime in the coastal town. This bad name is now apparently leading to racist abuse against the community.

On Saturday night, 'Golden Dawn' posted its threatening proclamation on the front doors of the local television station, Paphos TV."



http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cmnews/1 ... mnews.html



" On 24th September 2002 Amnesty International published a report of 66 cases of police abuse of immigrants in the last few years, including the murder of a Roma, the murder of an Albanian and the electroshock of a Nigerian deportee, all committed by policemen. Almost none of those responsible have been jailed of punished in any other way.

Similarly, the neo-nazi organisation Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) is responsible for more than 70 violent attacks mostly against immigrants in the last 3 years and only 3 of its members were convicted by court on April 26 2002 for the first time. On October 3 these fascists attacked and stabbed Greek YRE and CWI member Alexandros Prandounas.

Therefore, whatever the High Court verdict, the government cannot hide its responsibilities.

Immediately after Kazakos' arrest, Michalis Chrysochoides, Minister of Public Order, stated: "If this is what we all fear, that is a racist crime, then the issue goes beyond ordinary criminal activity. It reminds crimes of racism committed in countries less tolerant towards foreigners than Greece. I am sure that all democratic citizens condemn racism, but I don't know whether this is enough"."



http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040513160 ... 97712/view


http://www.resistance.eu.com/english/St ... ce1102.htm





But I hope and wish you are right about it....
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:30 am

I am right about it.
Criminals exist everywhere, but thats about it.
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