Kikapu: Why "Partition"?
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Kikapu, in my last posting you said something along the lines as to why I talk about
Partition or confederation and never Federation. I have pasted the following article
From the Cyprus Mail Opinions section that gives a very good explaination to my
Reason. BUT, in a Nutshell, if the Greek Cypriots themselves are so divided, so full
Of hatred and anger towards the own people and others, then what chance do we
Have of a federation working without a future conflict - do you not agree?
ARTICLE:
Cyprus is not the centre of the earth
February 07, 2010
By Loucas Charalambous
EVERYTHING in this country degenerates into farce and it was impossible for the visit of the UN Secretary-General to prove an exception to the rule.
Under the circumstances, one wondered why Ban Ki-moon decided to visit Cyprus. Surely, his representatives know what impetuous hypocrites we are and must have informed him about our political antics, when he decided to put the Cyprus problem on the UN agenda. He must also have been aware of how we had treated all his predecessors and their special representatives.
Not a single one was spared. One was mocked as ‘the black’, another was pronounced ‘homosexual’, others were ridiculed as ‘fools’ and others were abused for allegedly being Anglo-American agents. Since 1964, when the UN arrived in Cyprus to save us from the blood-soaked consequences of Archbishop Makarios’ brinkmanship, a long list of UN representatives became involved in the Cyprus problem. None of them was any good, for us.
In this context, we can only conclude that Ban visited the island to knowingly participate in the Cyprus theatre of the absurd. He must have thought to himself: “I will visit the place to get to see the lunacy for myself. I will tell them what they want to hear, I will assure them that the peace process is their ownership, promise them there would be no arbitration or suffocating time-frames and then leave. I have nothing to lose.â€
The only thing Ban did not think about was that when visiting Talat, was that he may have ended up in the ‘wrong’ building and sparked another exhibition of political lunacy. His visit made our super-patriotic politicians and journalists go wild. EDEK deputy Marinos Sizopoulos gave an indication of the degree of frustration the visit to the wrong building caused, by describing it “the biggest defeat suffered by Cyprus Republic since 1974.†But it was not a defeat. It was a victory: another victory of our stupidity.
Our journalists were at a loss. One of them, appearing as a guest on a TV show, tried to explain why the visit was so damaging. He said: “The entire international community saw the UN Secretary-General walking on the red carpet and entering the pseudo-presidential office. This is the image that will stay in its (the international community’s) memory.â€
As if the international community gave damn if Ban went into Talat’s office instead of his residence. The international community had nothing better to do than to turn its gaze on Cyprus, anxiously waiting to see which building Ban would enter during his visit. This idiotic reaction alone gives a good indication of the political schizophrenia that reigns.
We genuinely believe that humanity has no serious problems to deal with and has time to follow the antics by us hypocrites in Cyprus. Millions of people in world are suffering, tens of thousands die every day of hunger and disease, half the world’s population does not have a bed to sleep in at night and our intelligent hacks think that the world is watching what is happening here.
They really believe that the world has its gaze fixed on a tiny island that is little more than a dot on the world map and is populated by a few hundred thousand spoilt and overfed individuals; that the world cares about Cyprus, Talat and Christofias and that the collective memory of mankind has room for us half-mad Cypriots.
With the crazy minds we have, are we really justified to wonder why those few foreigners that deal with us always decide that the Turkish Cypriots are in the right? |
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| Re: Kikapu: Why "Partition"? | |
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:50 am |
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| MrH wrote: |
Kikapu, in my last posting you said something along the lines as to why I talk about
Partition or confederation and never Federation. I have pasted the following article
From the Cyprus Mail Opinions section that gives a very good explaination to my
Reason. BUT, in a Nutshell, if the Greek Cypriots themselves are so divided, so full
Of hatred and anger towards the own people and others, then what chance do we
Have of a federation working without a future conflict - do you not agree?
ARTICLE:
Cyprus is not the centre of the earth
February 07, 2010
By Loucas Charalambous
EVERYTHING in this country degenerates into farce and it was impossible for the visit of the UN Secretary-General to prove an exception to the rule.
Under the circumstances, one wondered why Ban Ki-moon decided to visit Cyprus. Surely, his representatives know what impetuous hypocrites we are and must have informed him about our political antics, when he decided to put the Cyprus problem on the UN agenda. He must also have been aware of how we had treated all his predecessors and their special representatives.
Not a single one was spared. One was mocked as ‘the black’, another was pronounced ‘homosexual’, others were ridiculed as ‘fools’ and others were abused for allegedly being Anglo-American agents. Since 1964, when the UN arrived in Cyprus to save us from the blood-soaked consequences of Archbishop Makarios’ brinkmanship, a long list of UN representatives became involved in the Cyprus problem. None of them was any good, for us.
In this context, we can only conclude that Ban visited the island to knowingly participate in the Cyprus theatre of the absurd. He must have thought to himself: “I will visit the place to get to see the lunacy for myself. I will tell them what they want to hear, I will assure them that the peace process is their ownership, promise them there would be no arbitration or suffocating time-frames and then leave. I have nothing to lose.â€
The only thing Ban did not think about was that when visiting Talat, was that he may have ended up in the ‘wrong’ building and sparked another exhibition of political lunacy. His visit made our super-patriotic politicians and journalists go wild. EDEK deputy Marinos Sizopoulos gave an indication of the degree of frustration the visit to the wrong building caused, by describing it “the biggest defeat suffered by Cyprus Republic since 1974.†But it was not a defeat. It was a victory: another victory of our stupidity.
Our journalists were at a loss. One of them, appearing as a guest on a TV show, tried to explain why the visit was so damaging. He said: “The entire international community saw the UN Secretary-General walking on the red carpet and entering the pseudo-presidential office. This is the image that will stay in its (the international community’s) memory.â€
As if the international community gave damn if Ban went into Talat’s office instead of his residence. The international community had nothing better to do than to turn its gaze on Cyprus, anxiously waiting to see which building Ban would enter during his visit. This idiotic reaction alone gives a good indication of the political schizophrenia that reigns.
We genuinely believe that humanity has no serious problems to deal with and has time to follow the antics by us hypocrites in Cyprus. Millions of people in world are suffering, tens of thousands die every day of hunger and disease, half the world’s population does not have a bed to sleep in at night and our intelligent hacks think that the world is watching what is happening here.
They really believe that the world has its gaze fixed on a tiny island that is little more than a dot on the world map and is populated by a few hundred thousand spoilt and overfed individuals; that the world cares about Cyprus, Talat and Christofias and that the collective memory of mankind has room for us half-mad Cypriots.
With the crazy minds we have, are we really justified to wonder why those few foreigners that deal with us always decide that the Turkish Cypriots are in the right? |
I would go further and describe the GC administration as control freaks, wanting desperately to control the TCs. Time is running out frotunatley for the TCs and Unfortunately for the GCs. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:25 pm |
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Oh Look! Its another Loucas Charalambous article 
When this idiot gets off his addiction to prozac I'll start giving him a little more attention. Loucas for your information gentlemen is the laughing stock of journalism in Cyprus. There are many journalists that follow the pro-annan line who carry a great deal more respect. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:46 pm |
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control freaks? like turkey banning your turkish cypriot dialect and killing off the tcs? look to your own mumma turkey first |
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| Re: Kikapu: Why "Partition"? | |
| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:30 pm |
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| MrH wrote: |
Kikapu, in my last posting you said something along the lines as to why I talk about
Partition or confederation and never Federation. I have pasted the following article
From the Cyprus Mail Opinions section that gives a very good explaination to my
Reason. BUT, in a Nutshell, if the Greek Cypriots themselves are so divided, so full
Of hatred and anger towards the own people and others, then what chance do we
Have of a federation working without a future conflict - do you not agree?
ARTICLE:
Cyprus is not the centre of the earth
February 07, 2010
By Loucas Charalambous
EVERYTHING in this country degenerates into farce and it was impossible for the visit of the UN Secretary-General to prove an exception to the rule.
Under the circumstances, one wondered why Ban Ki-moon decided to visit Cyprus. Surely, his representatives know what impetuous hypocrites we are and must have informed him about our political antics, when he decided to put the Cyprus problem on the UN agenda. He must also have been aware of how we had treated all his predecessors and their special representatives.
Not a single one was spared. One was mocked as ‘the black’, another was pronounced ‘homosexual’, others were ridiculed as ‘fools’ and others were abused for allegedly being Anglo-American agents. Since 1964, when the UN arrived in Cyprus to save us from the blood-soaked consequences of Archbishop Makarios’ brinkmanship, a long list of UN representatives became involved in the Cyprus problem. None of them was any good, for us.
In this context, we can only conclude that Ban visited the island to knowingly participate in the Cyprus theatre of the absurd. He must have thought to himself: “I will visit the place to get to see the lunacy for myself. I will tell them what they want to hear, I will assure them that the peace process is their ownership, promise them there would be no arbitration or suffocating time-frames and then leave. I have nothing to lose.â€
The only thing Ban did not think about was that when visiting Talat, was that he may have ended up in the ‘wrong’ building and sparked another exhibition of political lunacy. His visit made our super-patriotic politicians and journalists go wild. EDEK deputy Marinos Sizopoulos gave an indication of the degree of frustration the visit to the wrong building caused, by describing it “the biggest defeat suffered by Cyprus Republic since 1974.†But it was not a defeat. It was a victory: another victory of our stupidity.
Our journalists were at a loss. One of them, appearing as a guest on a TV show, tried to explain why the visit was so damaging. He said: “The entire international community saw the UN Secretary-General walking on the red carpet and entering the pseudo-presidential office. This is the image that will stay in its (the international community’s) memory.â€
As if the international community gave damn if Ban went into Talat’s office instead of his residence. The international community had nothing better to do than to turn its gaze on Cyprus, anxiously waiting to see which building Ban would enter during his visit. This idiotic reaction alone gives a good indication of the political schizophrenia that reigns.
We genuinely believe that humanity has no serious problems to deal with and has time to follow the antics by us hypocrites in Cyprus. Millions of people in world are suffering, tens of thousands die every day of hunger and disease, half the world’s population does not have a bed to sleep in at night and our intelligent hacks think that the world is watching what is happening here.
They really believe that the world has its gaze fixed on a tiny island that is little more than a dot on the world map and is populated by a few hundred thousand spoilt and overfed individuals; that the world cares about Cyprus, Talat and Christofias and that the collective memory of mankind has room for us half-mad Cypriots.
With the crazy minds we have, are we really justified to wonder why those few foreigners that deal with us always decide that the Turkish Cypriots are in the right? |
Is this the best you can come up with , MrH, as to why we should have a partition, an opinion of one GC journalist when the opinions of the 76% of all those GCs who had already said OXI to the last Partition Plan, the AP in 2004, even though the 65% from the north had supported such a Partition Plan. When all votes were counted from both sides of the divide from the 2004 referendum, the overwhelming majority result from all those who had voted had said "NO" to partition by 55.5% vs. 44.5%. I'm willing to bet, that today, this "NO" percentage would be even higher that 55.5% for a Partition. In short, MrH, you have not answered my question, therefore the question still stands and no opinion of one journalist is enough to save you from giving us your opinion.!
In any case, the TCs would never accept an agreed Partition along 90% - 10% territory split favouring the GCs, given the fact many TCs would opt to live in the RoC as a EU member state and as a EU citizen than live in the north’s “trnc” without a future who will not give the TCs their “self determination”, using Erolz terms, since they will be under the direct control of the settlers and Turkey as well as being kept out of the EU along with Turkey forever. I don't know why the GCs would agree to anything less than the above figures, specially after the Orams rulings. Just one final thought on your desired agreed partition, MrH, is that, Turkey will never in a million years allow such a partition to take place, because their objective is to have a control over the whole island as well as have influence in the EU as a non EU member through the TCs participation in the RoC. Before you go on about any agreed partition, you should get a written permission from Turkey who would allow the TCs to even agree to such a plan. My guess is, Turkey will ignore your request.! |
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| MrH wrote: |
Kikapu, in my last posting you said something along the lines as to why I talk about
Partition or confederation and never Federation. I have pasted the following article
From the Cyprus Mail Opinions section that gives a very good explaination to my
Reason. BUT, in a Nutshell, if the Greek Cypriots themselves are so divided, so full
Of hatred and anger towards the own people and others, then what chance do we
Have of a federation working without a future conflict - do you not agree?
ARTICLE:
Cyprus is not the centre of the earth
February 07, 2010
By Loucas Charalambous
EVERYTHING in this country degenerates into farce and it was impossible for the visit of the UN Secretary-General to prove an exception to the rule.
Under the circumstances, one wondered why Ban Ki-moon decided to visit Cyprus. Surely, his representatives know what impetuous hypocrites we are and must have informed him about our political antics, when he decided to put the Cyprus problem on the UN agenda. He must also have been aware of how we had treated all his predecessors and their special representatives.
Not a single one was spared. One was mocked as ‘the black’, another was pronounced ‘homosexual’, others were ridiculed as ‘fools’ and others were abused for allegedly being Anglo-American agents. Since 1964, when the UN arrived in Cyprus to save us from the blood-soaked consequences of Archbishop Makarios’ brinkmanship, a long list of UN representatives became involved in the Cyprus problem. None of them was any good, for us.
In this context, we can only conclude that Ban visited the island to knowingly participate in the Cyprus theatre of the absurd. He must have thought to himself: “I will visit the place to get to see the lunacy for myself. I will tell them what they want to hear, I will assure them that the peace process is their ownership, promise them there would be no arbitration or suffocating time-frames and then leave. I have nothing to lose.â€
The only thing Ban did not think about was that when visiting Talat, was that he may have ended up in the ‘wrong’ building and sparked another exhibition of political lunacy. His visit made our super-patriotic politicians and journalists go wild. EDEK deputy Marinos Sizopoulos gave an indication of the degree of frustration the visit to the wrong building caused, by describing it “the biggest defeat suffered by Cyprus Republic since 1974.†But it was not a defeat. It was a victory: another victory of our stupidity.
Our journalists were at a loss. One of them, appearing as a guest on a TV show, tried to explain why the visit was so damaging. He said: “The entire international community saw the UN Secretary-General walking on the red carpet and entering the pseudo-presidential office. This is the image that will stay in its (the international community’s) memory.â€
As if the international community gave damn if Ban went into Talat’s office instead of his residence. The international community had nothing better to do than to turn its gaze on Cyprus, anxiously waiting to see which building Ban would enter during his visit. This idiotic reaction alone gives a good indication of the political schizophrenia that reigns.
We genuinely believe that humanity has no serious problems to deal with and has time to follow the antics by us hypocrites in Cyprus. Millions of people in world are suffering, tens of thousands die every day of hunger and disease, half the world’s population does not have a bed to sleep in at night and our intelligent hacks think that the world is watching what is happening here.
They really believe that the world has its gaze fixed on a tiny island that is little more than a dot on the world map and is populated by a few hundred thousand spoilt and overfed individuals; that the world cares about Cyprus, Talat and Christofias and that the collective memory of mankind has room for us half-mad Cypriots.
With the crazy minds we have, are we really justified to wonder why those few foreigners that deal with us always decide that the Turkish Cypriots are in the right? |
This is Democracy. Everybody can have his opinion like this journalist.
Notice the only 2 English speaking GC newspapers follow exactly the same line.So there is no pluralism in this respect. |
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| Kickapoo, you are missing the complete essence of the discussion. This is no longer a contest of the hearts and minds of the population as a whole. If there is a no vote by any side, the partition will be permenentised. Get it? What percentage voted last time and will vote next time is fast becoming immaterial to the proceedings. The Ban activities whilst in the north should be ringing alarm bells in the your and the rest of the GC's ears', but unfortunately you have been deafened to the realities around you, mainly to the plight of the TCs but more particularly the opinion of the international community of today. |
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| YFred wrote: |
| Kickapoo, you are missing the complete essence of the discussion. This is no longer a contest of the hearts and minds of the population as a whole. If there is a no vote by any side, the partition will be permenentised. Get it? What percentage voted last time and will vote next time is fast becoming immaterial to the proceedings. The Ban activities whilst in the north should be ringing alarm bells in the your and the rest of the GC's ears', but unfortunately you have been deafened to the realities around you, mainly to the plight of the TCs but more particularly the opinion of the international community of today. |
What Ban activities Dufus? The fact that you conned the UN by placing a security guard to step in front of the car as soon it reached the "presidential palace" and you got in receipt a slap from Downer telling the world your leader is a community leader and that the only govt on this island is the Republic of Cyprus? Did you really need to hear that again? I thought we could have done without it for once but....there you go. |
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You mean the partition for the last 35 years was not permanent?
How long will it take for some people to realise that we have had partition and Enosis of the north with Turkey. Like the Greeks say, a man's sould is an abyss! |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:44 pm |
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| DT. wrote: |
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| Kickapoo, you are missing the complete essence of the discussion. This is no longer a contest of the hearts and minds of the population as a whole. If there is a no vote by any side, the partition will be permenentised. Get it? What percentage voted last time and will vote next time is fast becoming immaterial to the proceedings. The Ban activities whilst in the north should be ringing alarm bells in the your and the rest of the GC's ears', but unfortunately you have been deafened to the realities around you, mainly to the plight of the TCs but more particularly the opinion of the international community of today. |
What Ban activities Dufus? The fact that you conned the UN by placing a security guard to step in front of the car as soon it reached the "presidential palace" and you got in receipt a slap from Downer telling the world your leader is a community leader and that the only govt on this island is the Republic of Cyprus? Did you really need to hear that again? I thought we could have done without it for once but....there you go. |
Enjoy your slumber. Pleasent dreams. |
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