E.O.K.A Greek Cypriot freedom fighers VS TMT
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| georgios100 |
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The ending of Britain colonial rule in Cyprus was inevitable with or without an armed struggle
In the simplest terms, independence did not require armed struggle and violence to achieve.
These statements are totally irresponsible. History offers many lessons to be learned. To gain independence, blood must be shed, always! Freedom must be earned by armed struggle, nothing else will do, you know that! The Brits knew that, so when the uprising begun they prepared their luggage. Prior to leaving, a “bright” British ruler decided to exercise the oldest trick in the book – divide and concord. Hence, this foolish action followed, “The Brits generally treated the TCs better than the GCs” which, of course backfired. Have no illusions my friend. The Brits never intended to leave Cyprus. Their military bases are still here. A living proof of how important Cyprus is to them.
When you are born and raised in Cyprus, you are a Cypriot, Greek or Turkish speaking, no matter.
You want independence? You gotta fight! GC or TC, no matter.
If you don’t want to fight, you are either a coward or a faggot, not a Cypriot, period.
Bear in mind, here in Cyprus, we do not tolerate cowards or faggots, period.
If you don’t like what you hear(read), get the F**k out of here! Go to live someplace else where cowards or faggots are welcomed… good luck finding a new country to accept you. You know why? Because the citizens of that country fought to be free there too!
End of lesson.
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| Re: E.O.K.A Greek Cypriot freedom fighers VS TMT | |
| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:42 am |
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| Malapapa wrote: |
| This constitution should have remained unsigned by a Cypriot leader and the struggle for "independence" should have continued - as this arrangement was, as history attests, a sham. |
By this time it was evident the GCs were fighting, alone, on two fronts ... against the Colonialist-Brits and the Partitionist-TCs.
If the TCs only did their bit, or kept quiet at least if unwilling to help, then we would have had 100% independence. Instead, the TCs were rewarded with disproportionate gains for assisting the Brits. What a shame! |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:43 am |
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| georgios100 wrote: |
| These statements are totally irresponsible. History offers many lessons to be learned. To gain independence, blood must be shed, always! Freedom must be earned by armed struggle, nothing else will do, you know that! |
Tell that to Mahatma Gandhi.
Even those terroritories that Henry Hopkins in 1954, then Minster of state for Colonies refered to in his famous 'never' speech, like Malta went on via first self ruled to full indepedance and wiothout ANY resort to or need for armed struggle to achieve it.
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If you don’t want to fight, you are either a coward or a faggot, not a Cypriot, period.
Bear in mind, here in Cyprus, we do not tolerate cowards or faggots, period. |
A strange defintion of Cypriot. You would not be questioning my sexuality would you ? I am sure you would not be so extreme as to state publicaly that someone who was a pacifist or heaven forbid not hetrosexual could not be a 'true' Cypriot and should be removed from Cyprus ?
| georgios100 wrote: |
| If you don’t like what you hear(read), get the F**k out of here! |
And thank you for too for your stimulating contribution to debate and discussion on cyprus-forum  |
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| Re: E.O.K.A Greek Cypriot freedom fighers VS TMT | |
| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:45 am |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| Malapapa wrote: |
| This constitution should have remained unsigned by a Cypriot leader and the struggle for "independence" should have continued - as this arrangement was, as history attests, a sham. |
By this time it was evident the GCs were fighting, alone, on two fronts ... against the Colonialist-Brits and the Partitionist-TCs.
If the TCs only did their bit, or kept quiet at least if unwilling to help, then we would have had 100% independence. Instead, the TCs were rewarded with disproportionate gains for assisting the Brits. What a shame! |
One foreign invader assisting another. It should have been expected. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:47 am |
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| georgios100 wrote: |
| To gain independence, blood must be shed, always! Freedom must be earned by armed struggle, nothing else will do |
What would have happened if Cyprus had waited until 14 December 1960?
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_1514
4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:51 am |
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| Tell that to Mahatma Gandhi. |
We tried the Gandhi methods many times. Here is the kind of answer we were receiving from the barbarian butchers 
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| During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:54 am |
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| Sotos wrote: |
| Independence means the Cypriot people to be free from those British and Turkish invaders and decide independently from them what to do. |
And so once more we come to the real 'core' of the problem. Only GC can or should have any say over the future of Cyprus, because they are the 'real' Cypriots. TC should not and can not have any say over their own future in CYprus because they are 'Turkish Invaders'. Thasnk you for saying plainly what you mean, unlike some more 'sophisticated' GC posters here 
With attitudes like this remianing even in 2010 can you really doubt that a numericaly smaller and economicaly weaker TC community in Cyprus was treated as 2nd class citizens in the 50s ? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:58 am |
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| georgios100 wrote: |
Someone wrote:
The ending of Britain colonial rule in Cyprus was inevitable with or without an armed struggle
In the simplest terms, independence did not require armed struggle and violence to achieve.
These statements are totally irresponsible. |
“The Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 14 December 1960.”
http://untreaty.un.org/cod/avl/ha/dicc/dicc.html
Makarios failed Cyprus through his ignorace of this comming international law...  |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:00 am |
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| Malapapa wrote: |
What would have happened if Cyprus had waited until 14 December 1960?
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_1514
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom. |
Exactly. Peoples (plural) - without ANY DISTINCTION to race. How can you possibly claim enosis made no distinction to race ? Enosis was exclusively an ideology of race. How can you possibly claim that for a TC union of their shared homeland with Greece represented them being able to "enjoy complete independence and freedom" ? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:01 am |
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| Get Real! |
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| erolz3 wrote: |
| A strange defintion of Cypriot. You would not be questioning my sexuality would you ? |
There are rumors that you sleep with your laptop…  |
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