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Postby Paphitis » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:17 pm

Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Hallelujah! :D

Just don't forget to stick your apartheid rhetoric up your clacker! :lol:
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:25 pm

Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Which bit of "post solution" are you having difficulty understanding? :shock:


Which bit of "solution" are you missing?

Please go back and re-read my original thread. Either that, or get someone to explain it to you. :roll:


You are making assumptions about a "regional" disparity of wealth because you fail to appreciate that "post solution", the 80% GCs who made up the natural population of the north will be returning to their homes. They are very wealthy by EU standards.

In other words, you still visualise a "north" full of impoverished Anatolians.

That won't be the case "post solution"; therefore, your assumptions are fallacious.


Let's assume you are right, then you will be picking up the tab for the modernization of the the north. The EU won't give you any money if they perceive you to be wealthy enough to pay for it yourself.
:(
Now lets be realistic and assume that most of the people you refer to (the 80% GCs) have homes, friends and jobs in the South and will very likely want to stay where they are.
You are also jumping the gun a bit to assume that would be "allowed" as part of any "deal" anyway.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:51 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Hallelujah! :D

Just don't forget to stick your apartheid rhetoric up your clacker! :lol:


It's not the RoC imposing Apartheid you misconstruing apology for a Paphitian!

It's the occupying force which imposes Apartheid to maintain the ethnic cleansing it carried out. It does this by preventing the RoC administering Democracy and equality over the whole island.

So, bugger off. I've seen Invictus now and I know I am 100% correct 8)
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Postby Oracle » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:54 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Which bit of "post solution" are you having difficulty understanding? :shock:


Which bit of "solution" are you missing?

Please go back and re-read my original thread. Either that, or get someone to explain it to you. :roll:


You are making assumptions about a "regional" disparity of wealth because you fail to appreciate that "post solution", the 80% GCs who made up the natural population of the north will be returning to their homes. They are very wealthy by EU standards.

In other words, you still visualise a "north" full of impoverished Anatolians.

That won't be the case "post solution"; therefore, your assumptions are fallacious.


Let's assume you are right, then you will be picking up the tab for the modernization of the the north. The EU won't give you any money if they perceive you to be wealthy enough to pay for it yourself.
:(
Now lets be realistic and assume that most of the people you refer to (the 80% GCs) have homes, friends and jobs in the South and will very likely want to stay where they are.
You are also jumping the gun a bit to assume that would be "allowed" as part of any "deal" anyway.
:wink:


I don't now about any "deals" but you started off talking about "post solution".
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:09 pm

Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Which bit of "post solution" are you having difficulty understanding? :shock:


Which bit of "solution" are you missing?

Please go back and re-read my original thread. Either that, or get someone to explain it to you. :roll:


You are making assumptions about a "regional" disparity of wealth because you fail to appreciate that "post solution", the 80% GCs who made up the natural population of the north will be returning to their homes. They are very wealthy by EU standards.

In other words, you still visualise a "north" full of impoverished Anatolians.

That won't be the case "post solution"; therefore, your assumptions are fallacious.


Let's assume you are right, then you will be picking up the tab for the modernization of the the north. The EU won't give you any money if they perceive you to be wealthy enough to pay for it yourself.
:(
Now lets be realistic and assume that most of the people you refer to (the 80% GCs) have homes, friends and jobs in the South and will very likely want to stay where they are.
You are also jumping the gun a bit to assume that would be "allowed" as part of any "deal" anyway.
:wink:


I don't now about any "deals" but you started off talking about "post solution".


My original thread posed the question "post solution" when there might be no TRNC nor RoC, as they exist today. There would be one BBF Cyprus and the EU, from a regional policy point of view, would see the island as having a North and a South. It may very well see the North as O1 and the South as O2 for funding purposes.
My conclusion is that you might end up with a West Germany meets East Germany type reunification with all the financial implications that has.
This is the scenario I would like to explore.
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Postby DT. » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:25 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Hallelujah! :D

Just don't forget to stick your apartheid rhetoric up your clacker! :lol:


It's not the RoC imposing Apartheid you misconstruing apology for a Paphitian!

It's the occupying force which imposes Apartheid to maintain the ethnic cleansing it carried out. It does this by preventing the RoC administering Democracy and equality over the whole island.

So, bugger off. I've seen Invictus now and I know I am 100% correct 8)


How can that be when they ethnically cleansed the occupied areas, stupid? :lol:

Now piss off you lying, and nasty woman without principles.


:shock: wow...what the hell happened to you 2?
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Postby Oracle » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:40 pm

DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Hallelujah! :D

Just don't forget to stick your apartheid rhetoric up your clacker! :lol:


It's not the RoC imposing Apartheid you misconstruing apology for a Paphitian!

It's the occupying force which imposes Apartheid to maintain the ethnic cleansing it carried out. It does this by preventing the RoC administering Democracy and equality over the whole island.

So, bugger off. I've seen Invictus now and I know I am 100% correct 8)


How can that be when they ethnically cleansed the occupied areas, stupid? :lol:

Now piss off you lying, and nasty woman without principles.


:shock: wow...what the hell happened to you 2?


He is one of Gabira's new Mehmetcik recruits. The ones being super-trained not to do a half-hearted job next time.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:02 pm

Oracle wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Oracle wrote:If it's not recognized now as a region, but only an illegally occupied territory which the RoC cannot effectively administer, then why should it gain any status in its "own" right?


Hallelujah! :D

Just don't forget to stick your apartheid rhetoric up your clacker! :lol:


It's not the RoC imposing Apartheid you misconstruing apology for a Paphitian!

It's the occupying force which imposes Apartheid to maintain the ethnic cleansing it carried out. It does this by preventing the RoC administering Democracy and equality over the whole island.

So, bugger off. I've seen Invictus now and I know I am 100% correct 8)


How can that be when they ethnically cleansed the occupied areas, stupid? :lol:

Now piss off you lying, and nasty woman without principles.


:shock: wow...what the hell happened to you 2?


He is one of Gabira's new Mehmetcik recruits. The ones being super-trained not to do a half-hearted job next time.


It is you that is serving the interests of the Mehmetcik, which makes you much more dangerous! A Mehmetcik may kill some humans, but you are killing Cyprus! :evil:
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Postby DT. » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:24 pm

I see. So which is it? Oedipus or Cronus and Rhea?
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Postby Oracle » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:14 pm

DT. wrote:I see. So which is it? Oedipus or Cronus and Rhea?


Nothing so Divine for Paphitis. :wink:

The only way he soars on wings, are in man-made, machine things.
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