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Re: EU Objective 1 status for "Northern" Cyprus.

Postby Piratis » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:10 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
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vaughanwilliams wrote:Cyprus currently has Objective 2 status as regards the EU regional policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_p ... pean_Union
This is because the TRNC is not taken into account.
After any reunification the whole of Cyprus may be granted Objective 1 status, or what is now Southern Cyprus may stay as O2 whilst Northern Cyprus becomes O1.
Given that this is a regional policy, and that "Eastern" Germany still enjoys O1 status after 20 odd years, what is the likelyhood of Northern Cyprus being given O1 status for a similarly long time? Also, what would be the EU funding implications of the split between O1 and O2 on the same island?


Once the north part of our country is liberated and given back to us we would be the first ones who would want to improve its economic well being. And this is the only solution we will accept. A "solution" which will officially give the north part of Cyprus to the Turks is not a solution for us and such thing will never be accepted.


What you would want to do and what you would need to do could turn out to be very different.


Not in this case.
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Re: EU Objective 1 status for "Northern" Cyprus.

Postby vaughanwilliams » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:39 pm

Piratis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Piratis wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:Cyprus currently has Objective 2 status as regards the EU regional policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_p ... pean_Union
This is because the TRNC is not taken into account.
After any reunification the whole of Cyprus may be granted Objective 1 status, or what is now Southern Cyprus may stay as O2 whilst Northern Cyprus becomes O1.
Given that this is a regional policy, and that "Eastern" Germany still enjoys O1 status after 20 odd years, what is the likelyhood of Northern Cyprus being given O1 status for a similarly long time? Also, what would be the EU funding implications of the split between O1 and O2 on the same island?


Once the north part of our country is liberated and given back to us we would be the first ones who would want to improve its economic well being. And this is the only solution we will accept. A "solution" which will officially give the north part of Cyprus to the Turks is not a solution for us and such thing will never be accepted.


What you would want to do and what you would need to do could turn out to be very different.


Not in this case.


I'm sure no-one would deny that West Germany would have done anything to bring East Germany up to an equal economy but after half a century of decline under Soviet rule, the task almost bankrupted the biggest economy in Europe. I am not comparing Germany with Cyprus but in the scale of things the task will be similarly expensive.
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Postby larnacaman » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:49 pm

Piratis,

It's no good talking the big talk in what you would want to do in the North, the fact is, ....you ain't got the finances to even scratch the surface of what needs doing. The EU isn't going to come up with the whole cost....nothing like it in fact.

SO, ...How are you going to cover these reconstruction costs?? Vaughan has raised some very relevant Questions, and there questions that need answers, there not going to go away, by saying we won't except a solution that is worse than the Annan plan!!! Whatever solution is agreed upon, the North's reconstruction costs are still gonna be there, and still gonna have to be met!!! OH, and so far every plan that has been put forward since the rejection of the Annan plan, ...HAS been worse!!!!
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Postby Piratis » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:36 pm

In 1974 we had 1/3rd of our population as refugees and we lost 50% of our resources . Look where we are today.

As long as the north part of our country is returned to us, the cost for its reconstruction will be nothing less than a very good investment that will more than pay back a few years later. We have absolutely no problem to invest in the north part of our own country as long as we will be the ones who will benefit from the returns of our investment.

But one should be stupid to believe that we will first gift the north part of our country to the Turks and then we will also pay from our pockets to raise their economic standards and help them to enjoy what they stole from us.

larnacaman, which plan was put forward since the rejection of the Annan plan?
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Postby larnacaman » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:39 am

Piratis,

Your still talking as if you HAVE the money to spend on the North's reconstruction, ...You haven't, not even anywhere near close. So you can't spend what you haven't got!! Simple Accounting..... I don't think you have the slightest idea of what sort of amount of money is going to be needed. Out of your own pockets you say?? They had better be bloody deep pockets, and they better all be full of the biggest denomination Euro notes.. And you Still won't have enough, not even with the EU grants!!! So keep thinking....

As far as i know, no-one has talked here about Turkey retaining anything. If your talking about Turkish Cypriots, then yes, they will obviously be benefiting from modernisation/reconstruction programs. But as i have said, ....it doesn't matter what the agreement is, ....your going to be saddled with an enormous costly program of reconstruction, that you CAN'T afford.....

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard, it firstly took you over 30 years to get where you are today, and i wouldn't exactly call yourself a successful global economy. In fact you've only just been hanging-on in there, keeping you nose above water....

Not sure you could call them plans Piratis, let's call them ''Discussions or Talks'' , ....but all of the suggestions that have been talked about to-date, are worse than what you rejected.... If you think that your going to get a one sided (your side) result, to the Cyprus Problem, your going to be very disappointed i fear!!!
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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:54 am

We have money mate. You seem to confuse public finances (where almost all countries have a deficit) with the money Cypriots have. If the north part of of our country is given back to us then be sure there will be a lot of private investments in tourism, banking, shipping etc from private Cypriot investors (and not only).

In 1974 we had a lot less money than what we have now and we still managed to make Cyprus a first world country within a couple of decades. Given the circumstances Cyprus is not just successful, but very successful. (we were not the ones robbing half the world to develop on the expense of others).

Our side (the Cypriot side) is the only side that should matter when it comes to what kind of solution we want for our own island. Of course I know that unfortunately the foreign Imperialists will continue to deny to the Cypriot people their rights so they can continue to exploit our island for their benefit. But in that case there will simply be no solution and therefore no point in discussing the topic of this thread.
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:47 am

Piratis wrote:We have money mate. You seem to confuse public finances (where almost all countries have a deficit) with the money Cypriots have. If the north part of of our country is given back to us then be sure there will be a lot of private investments in tourism, banking, shipping etc from private Cypriot investors (and not only).

In 1974 we had a lot less money than what we have now and we still managed to make Cyprus a first world country within a couple of decades. Given the circumstances Cyprus is not just successful, but very successful. (we were not the ones robbing half the world to develop on the expense of others).

Our side (the Cypriot side) is the only side that should matter when it comes to what kind of solution we want for our own island. Of course I know that unfortunately the foreign Imperialists will continue to deny to the Cypriot people their rights so they can continue to exploit our island for their benefit. But in that case there will simply be no solution and therefore no point in discussing the topic of this thread.


So are you saying that it's all over (reunification) bar the shouting, and all of your talk of paying for the modernisation of the north is empty rhetoric, knowing full well that it will never happen?
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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:29 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Piratis wrote:We have money mate. You seem to confuse public finances (where almost all countries have a deficit) with the money Cypriots have. If the north part of of our country is given back to us then be sure there will be a lot of private investments in tourism, banking, shipping etc from private Cypriot investors (and not only).

In 1974 we had a lot less money than what we have now and we still managed to make Cyprus a first world country within a couple of decades. Given the circumstances Cyprus is not just successful, but very successful. (we were not the ones robbing half the world to develop on the expense of others).

Our side (the Cypriot side) is the only side that should matter when it comes to what kind of solution we want for our own island. Of course I know that unfortunately the foreign Imperialists will continue to deny to the Cypriot people their rights so they can continue to exploit our island for their benefit. But in that case there will simply be no solution and therefore no point in discussing the topic of this thread.


So are you saying that it's all over (reunification) bar the shouting, and all of your talk of paying for the modernisation of the north is empty rhetoric, knowing full well that it will never happen?


Who said never? It will happen when the balance of power will change, but it will definitely not happen now. The whole of Cyprus has been under Ottoman rule for more than 3 centuries. Mainland Greece for more than 4 centuries. Liberation can take time, but it eventually comes as long as you do not sign away your lands and you are always ready to take the opportunity for liberation when it comes.
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:31 pm

Piratis wrote:
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Piratis wrote:We have money mate. You seem to confuse public finances (where almost all countries have a deficit) with the money Cypriots have. If the north part of of our country is given back to us then be sure there will be a lot of private investments in tourism, banking, shipping etc from private Cypriot investors (and not only).

In 1974 we had a lot less money than what we have now and we still managed to make Cyprus a first world country within a couple of decades. Given the circumstances Cyprus is not just successful, but very successful. (we were not the ones robbing half the world to develop on the expense of others).

Our side (the Cypriot side) is the only side that should matter when it comes to what kind of solution we want for our own island. Of course I know that unfortunately the foreign Imperialists will continue to deny to the Cypriot people their rights so they can continue to exploit our island for their benefit. But in that case there will simply be no solution and therefore no point in discussing the topic of this thread.


So are you saying that it's all over (reunification) bar the shouting, and all of your talk of paying for the modernisation of the north is empty rhetoric, knowing full well that it will never happen?


Who said never? It will happen when the balance of power will change, but it will definitely not happen now. The whole of Cyprus has been under Ottoman rule for more than 3 centuries. Mainland Greece for more than 4 centuries. Liberation can take time, but it eventually comes as long as you do not sign away your lands and you are always ready to take the opportunity for liberation when it comes.


Don't hold your breath, then.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:42 pm

larnacaman wrote:Your still talking as if you HAVE the money to spend on the North's reconstruction, ...You haven't, not even anywhere near close.

The bitter lunatic from Larnaca airport’s flight path is showing clear signs of lead poisoning! :lol:

For your info, the RoC makes 25b+ p/a, so she wouldn’t have a problem improving the infrastructure of the occupied territory if it came to that.
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