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Postby fwnh » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:56 am

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Do you mind reading the title of this post?!? i didn't start this post, the 'conversation' was lead to this point... i didn't suggest anything anyway? have i?[/quote]

That's what I read: "Cyprus Problem Solution Proposals" :lol:[/quote]

noooo the title is Who is truly Greek or Turkish
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Postby fwnh » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:03 am

Oracle wrote:
fwnh wrote:A study of DNA analysis established that Turkish Cypriots had more in common genetically with Greek Cypriots than ethnic Turks from the Republic of Turkey.Many prominent Turkish Cypriots have recent ancestors of Greek ethnicity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Cypriots

According
to research by a Turkish genetics engineer Erol Baisal who contacted
research about 15 years ago, the DNA
genes of Greek Cypriots and Turkish
Cypriots are almost identical and undoubtedly much closer than the
corresponding genes of the ‘mainland’ Greeks and Turks
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/cyprus ... IAI1OAJLD2

In 1990 samples from 116 Turkish Cypriot, 303 Greek Cypriot, 235 mainland turks and 174 mainland greeks were tested in the US by professor Huisman.
Genetic illness and DNA expert Dr. Erol Baysal with the assistance of english, turkish, cypriot and greek experts conducted the work, and found that the Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot DNA was very close.
http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/8275.asp

Y-Dna haplogroups are found at the following frequencies in Cyprus : J (43.07% including 6.20% J1), E1b1b (20.00%), R1 (12.30% including 9.2% R1b), F (9.20%), I (7.70%), K (4.60%), A (3.10%).[70] J, K, F and E1b1b haplogroups consist of lineages with differential distribution within Middle East, North Africa and Europe while R1 and I are typical in West European populations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

“Politis” Greek Cypriot newspaper on (30/08/05) provides a very short news piece of an article that was published in “Yeni Duzen” Turkish Cypriot newspaper

Unfortunalety i couldn't get a direct link for the TC newspaper and i couldn;t navigate to the link and politis doesn't have online archives for that long however although the links are not what you can call credible they publish the researchers names... do your own research


Don't bother. You are just quoting "proofs" from gossip on fora and Wiki.

The original paper was scrutinised before. The 20 year old study, used far too few samples and they were pre-selected for an environmentally 'favourable' disease, hence not 'natural' population samples!

That sort of study is considered worthless for what you chose to extrapolate it to. You need to look at mitochondrial DNA and Y-Haplogroup analysis as well as various other DNA fingerprint studies, from random samples of populations (in the 100's - thousands ... not 10 or 20).


for your first argument... read again my last 2 lines...

dna doesn't change in 20 years

prove to us from your research that the test was not acurate or wrong

the Y-dna post is to prove that we are a mixed race.. to justify my first post on this topic when i said that all the conquerors that have passed from cyprus have left their dna in our people

in my personal view of it though i have to say you are right the numbers are small (because 1000+ samples are more convinsing and most researches do that to have solid grounds before being published) however when 300 +150 people have (quote) 'almost identical dna' and the rest don't much it's like comparing red from green
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Re: Who is truly Greek or Turkish

Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:10 am

londoner wrote:It is clear from historical research that...

Nothing is clear to me unless I read it myself so once you supplied the necessary credible link to back your intro, you'll have a thread worthy of a response.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:29 am

fwnh wrote:dna doesn't change in 20 years


No, but the methods of testing do!

the Y-dna post is to prove that we are a mixed race.. to justify my first post on this topic when i said that all the conquerors that have passed from cyprus have left their dna in our people


Who is "we"? There are groups who have been here from thousands of years, and yes they would have e.g. Phoenician DNA fingerprints. Then there are newer groups!

But, understand this. DNA only proves we are ONE race. The rest just points to our migrations ...

So, still happy that TCs and GCs are 96% similar, when that is the figure quoted between Man and Chimps? :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:37 am

Stop wasting Oracle and GR's valuable time...There could never be any "credible" link they would accept which might suggest that the GCs and TCs share a gene pool ,which makes them blood brothers/sisters (in common parlance...) Ask them and they will tell you the GCs belong to the highest echelons of humanity while the TCs are somewhat less than subhuman.... :wink:

There.. :!: :!: Next thread please... :)
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:44 am

BirKibrisli wrote:Stop wasting Oracle and GR's valuable time...There could never be any "credible" link they would accept which might suggest that the GCs and TCs share a gene pool ,which makes them blood brothers/sisters (in common parlance...) Ask them and they will tell you the GCs belong to the highest echelons of humanity while the TCs are somewhat less than subhuman.... :wink:

There.. :!: :!: Next thread please... :)

Especially as I have actual cousins who are GC and Deniz knows them, but he is not a credible acceptable link. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby fwnh » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:46 am

Oracle wrote:
fwnh wrote:dna doesn't change in 20 years


No, but the methods of testing do!

the Y-dna post is to prove that we are a mixed race.. to justify my first post on this topic when i said that all the conquerors that have passed from cyprus have left their dna in our people


Who is "we"? There are groups who have been here from thousands of years, and yes they would have e.g. Phoenician DNA fingerprints. Then there are newer groups!

But, understand this. DNA only proves we are ONE race. The rest just points to our migrations ...

So, still happy that TCs and GCs are 96% similar, when that is the figure quoted between Man and Chimps? :lol:


why would the fact that we are like you said ONE race make me either happy or sad?! does it make me happy that the sun comes out every morning? no.. does it warmth? yes
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Postby kurupetos » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:48 am

YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Stop wasting Oracle and GR's valuable time...There could never be any "credible" link they would accept which might suggest that the GCs and TCs share a gene pool ,which makes them blood brothers/sisters (in common parlance...) Ask them and they will tell you the GCs belong to the highest echelons of humanity while the TCs are somewhat less than subhuman.... :wink:

There.. :!: :!: Next thread please... :)

Especially as I have actual cousins who are GC and Deniz knows them, but he is not a credible acceptable link. :lol: :lol: :lol:


You forgot your GC uncle, unka kurupetos! :evil:
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Postby Malapapa » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:50 am

YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Stop wasting Oracle and GR's valuable time...There could never be any "credible" link they would accept which might suggest that the GCs and TCs share a gene pool ,which makes them blood brothers/sisters (in common parlance...) Ask them and they will tell you the GCs belong to the highest echelons of humanity while the TCs are somewhat less than subhuman.... :wink:

There.. :!: :!: Next thread please... :)

Especially as I have actual cousins who are GC and Deniz knows them, but he is not a credible acceptable link. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Isn't he the missing link?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:02 am

Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Stop wasting Oracle and GR's valuable time...There could never be any "credible" link they would accept which might suggest that the GCs and TCs share a gene pool ,which makes them blood brothers/sisters (in common parlance...) Ask them and they will tell you the GCs belong to the highest echelons of humanity while the TCs are somewhat less than subhuman.... :wink:

There.. :!: :!: Next thread please... :)

Especially as I have actual cousins who are GC and Deniz knows them, but he is not a credible acceptable link. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Isn't he the missing link?

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