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Postby londoner » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:21 pm

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londoner wrote:Can you not accept that the problems started before 1974 and that racism had a part to play in the division.


Oracle wrote:Oh, I accept both of those. The Ottomans invaded in 1571 and now they use your racist rantings to force the natives off their land of thousands of years.


The current problems are all the fault of the Turks since 1571, so Grivas, EOKA, EOKA B and all the other extreme nationalists have not contributed to current problems. Blaming one side only seems very racist


Try that logic with blaming the Germans for WWII. Were people racist for blaming Hitler when he invaded other countries? NO. They were stating facts. Same with blaming Turks for invading Cyprus.

Hitler had many excuses too. It doesn't mean he was right, and nor is Turkey.



Bringing Hitler into the debate is a good choice as Nicos Sampson, whose actions supported by the Greek Colonels led to the Turkish intervention, and Hitler were both right-wing fascists. Sampson was a known Turk hater and would have committed genocide if he had not been deposed.
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:28 pm

londoner wrote:
Oracle wrote:
londoner wrote:
londoner wrote:Can you not accept that the problems started before 1974 and that racism had a part to play in the division.


Oracle wrote:Oh, I accept both of those. The Ottomans invaded in 1571 and now they use your racist rantings to force the natives off their land of thousands of years.


The current problems are all the fault of the Turks since 1571, so Grivas, EOKA, EOKA B and all the other extreme nationalists have not contributed to current problems. Blaming one side only seems very racist


Try that logic with blaming the Germans for WWII. Were people racist for blaming Hitler when he invaded other countries? NO. They were stating facts. Same with blaming Turks for invading Cyprus.

Hitler had many excuses too. It doesn't mean he was right, and nor is Turkey.



Bringing Hitler into the debate is a good choice as Nicos Sampson, whose actions supported by the Greek Colonels led to the Turkish intervention, and Hitler were both right-wing fascists. Sampson was a known Turk hater and would have committed genocide if he had not been deposed.


Turks suffered a genocide!!!!Is this the new joke? The first teacher on genocides (as nation) suffered one themselves?!!!!Turkish propaganta, many times, sounds like a very bad song.Maybe they can apply to USA and EU for recognision of this genocide and ask compensasion from the Greeks of Cyprus.I will not be surprised to see even that to happen.
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Postby londoner » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:11 pm

EPSILON wrote:
londoner wrote:
Oracle wrote:
londoner wrote:
londoner wrote:Can you not accept that the problems started before 1974 and that racism had a part to play in the division.


Oracle wrote:Oh, I accept both of those. The Ottomans invaded in 1571 and now they use your racist rantings to force the natives off their land of thousands of years.


The current problems are all the fault of the Turks since 1571, so Grivas, EOKA, EOKA B and all the other extreme nationalists have not contributed to current problems. Blaming one side only seems very racist


Try that logic with blaming the Germans for WWII. Were people racist for blaming Hitler when he invaded other countries? NO. They were stating facts. Same with blaming Turks for invading Cyprus.

Hitler had many excuses too. It doesn't mean he was right, and nor is Turkey.



Bringing Hitler into the debate is a good choice as Nicos Sampson, whose actions supported by the Greek Colonels led to the Turkish intervention, and Hitler were both right-wing fascists. Sampson was a known Turk hater and would have committed genocide if he had not been deposed.


Turks suffered a genocide!!!!Is this the new joke? The first teacher on genocides (as nation) suffered one themselves?!!!!Turkish propaganta, many times, sounds like a very bad song.Maybe they can apply to USA and EU for recognision of this genocide and ask compensasion from the Greeks of Cyprus.I will not be surprised to see even that to happen.


Try reading my post again, I said there WOULD have been a possible genocide.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:26 pm

londoner wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
londoner wrote:
Oracle wrote:
londoner wrote:
londoner wrote:Can you not accept that the problems started before 1974 and that racism had a part to play in the division.


Oracle wrote:Oh, I accept both of those. The Ottomans invaded in 1571 and now they use your racist rantings to force the natives off their land of thousands of years.


The current problems are all the fault of the Turks since 1571, so Grivas, EOKA, EOKA B and all the other extreme nationalists have not contributed to current problems. Blaming one side only seems very racist


Try that logic with blaming the Germans for WWII. Were people racist for blaming Hitler when he invaded other countries? NO. They were stating facts. Same with blaming Turks for invading Cyprus.

Hitler had many excuses too. It doesn't mean he was right, and nor is Turkey.



Bringing Hitler into the debate is a good choice as Nicos Sampson, whose actions supported by the Greek Colonels led to the Turkish intervention, and Hitler were both right-wing fascists. Sampson was a known Turk hater and would have committed genocide if he had not been deposed.


Turks suffered a genocide!!!!Is this the new joke? The first teacher on genocides (as nation) suffered one themselves?!!!!Turkish propaganta, many times, sounds like a very bad song.Maybe they can apply to USA and EU for recognision of this genocide and ask compensasion from the Greeks of Cyprus.I will not be surprised to see even that to happen.


Try reading my post again, I said there WOULD have been a possible genocide.


Are you certain?
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:36 pm

londoner wrote:Try reading my post again, I said there WOULD have been a possible genocide.

So to prevent an imaginary genocide you conducted a real one… :?
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Postby Oracle » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:
londoner wrote:Try reading my post again, I said there WOULD have been a possible genocide.

So to prevent an imaginary genocide you conducted a real one… :?


Now don't jump to conclusions GR! The man said there "WOULD" have been one (a "possible one" that is).

I think he was hedging his bets on getting away with a semantic, and a logical, ambiguity. :lol:
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Postby londoner » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:49 pm

What do you presume would have happened to the TC minority under an EOKA-B government? And what is your evidence to suggest Sampson was not a fascist Turk hater but would have held his hands out to the TC in peace
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:54 pm

londoner wrote:What do you presume would have happened to the TC minority under an EOKA-B government? And what is your evidence to suggest Sampson was not a fascist Turk hater but would have held his hands out to the TC in peace

So to prevent an imaginary genocide you conducted a real one?
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Postby londoner » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:45 pm

You obviously cannot bring yourself to criticise EOKA-B for creating the situation which allowed Turkey to intervene. Division of populations started in the 1950's and 1960's but that was okay because it largely only involved TC.
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Postby yorgozlu » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:55 pm

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
londoner wrote:Try reading my post again, I said there WOULD have been a possible genocide.

So to prevent an imaginary genocide you conducted a real one… :?


Now don't jump to conclusions GR! The man said there "WOULD" have been one (a "possible one" that is).

I think he was hedging his bets on getting away with a semantic, and a logical, ambiguity. :lol:


Sounds like,you dont like the fact that Turkey beat you to it!
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