"shoot-to-kill in order to protect" in the UK
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| garbitsch |
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I got to point two issues:
1- What would be the reaction of the EU if the same had happened in Turkey?
2- UK has always been known as a country which the criminals have more rights than the innocents. I just recalled a story in which a burglar had sued the owner of the house which he had broken in to steal. Apparently the thief had his leg hurt when a stair to upstairs had broken. In the end, the house owner was found guilty and had to pay compensation to the thief!! My opinion is, this Brazilian guy might have thought that the police won't shoot him, since it is not common to shoot the running suspects in UK. On the other hand, I heard another story in a Turkish paper that this guy was simply trying to catch the train. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:36 am |
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| erolz |
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| Michael Coumas wrote: |
| When challenged by any authority in any country the sensible thing is to stop & answer the questions. |
How would he know he was being challeneged by someone in authority? The police were not in uniform and they were not waving warrant cards but guns. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:50 pm |
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| Main_Source |
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1- What would be the reaction of the EU if the same had happened in Turkey?
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You know what the reaction would be...but the UK doesnt have the ridiculous human rights record that Turkey has. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:24 pm |
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The question that remains unanswered is: Why did he run rather than submit?
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Aparently the Brazilian guy was here on an expired student visa.
As for stopping if 5 guys pointed guns at you...well i doubt he knew they had guns until they the split second when they pulled them out and shit him 8 times in the head area.
For all he knew, they were chasing him to deport him.
Im surprised i havent heard anything about any riots...big Portugese / Brazilian population in South / South West London. |
I beleive they "shot" him Source. Unless u know something we dont!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:45 pm |
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Michael:
I really enjoy your posts. Would you please consider breaking them up into smaller paragraphs? Easier to read. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:55 pm |
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2fan – Anything to oblige, sorry for the confusion, I could have worded the last post a lot better.
erolz – Point taken but I assure you the poor victim would have been in no doubt that he was being challenged to halt. In fact within the metro system the amplified shouts would have left him in no doubt whatsoever of his pursuer’s intentions.
May I also add that they would not have been waving guns about; they would have been drawn from their holsters at the last minute. The victim obviously had something to hide hence his efforts to escape.
Our sympathies must go to his family and friends |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:24 am |
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| Michael Coumas wrote: |
2fan – Anything to oblige, sorry for the confusion, I could have worded the last post a lot better.
erolz – Point taken but I assure you the poor victim would have been in no doubt that he was being challenged to halt. In fact within the metro system the amplified shouts would have left him in no doubt whatsoever of his pursuer’s intentions.
May I also add that they would not have been waving guns about; they would have been drawn from their holsters at the last minute. The victim obviously had something to hide hence his efforts to escape.
Our sympathies must go to his family and friends |
We Americans maybe unapealing to you at this point. However, when law enforcement shouts for you to halt....I would. No matter if my visa expired or not. We have to assist the law. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:26 am |
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| Michael Coumas wrote: |
| erolz – Point taken but I assure you the poor victim would have been in no doubt that he was being challenged to halt. |
but challenged by whom? we do not know why he ran and we never may.
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May I also add that they would not have been waving guns about; they would have been drawn from their holsters at the last minute. |
The full details of what happened are not clear and currently under investigation. However there is at least one eye witness report that claims one of the officers had his gun out whilst chasing the man.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706913.stm
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The victim obviously had something to hide hence his efforts to escape. |
I do not see how you come to such a definate decision to be honest. Maybe he just paniced? (and who of us knows how we would react in a similar situation?) Maybe he was dating a girl who had a previously violent partner and he assumed the men chasing him and shouting were connected to that and had come to beat the crap out of him? We just do not know why he ran - but to me to say that his running is proof of him hiding something is not supportable. It might be and it might not. What he was without a doubt not hiding was a suicide bomb.
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Our sympathies must go to his family and friends |
And to me the sincerest way for the authorites to show their sympathy is to be seen to do what they can to enusre that such a tradgedy does not befall another innocent person and thier family. However it would seem that exactly the reverse has so far been the reponse, with warnings that other innocents may indeed have to die at the hands of the police. Even if the policy is to remain there is in my view no need to make public statments like these. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:46 am |
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| 2fan |
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EROLZ,
I can see that this event has affected you deeply. Please begin concentrating on issues that affect TC, GC, Greeks and Turks.
I told you that we will sort through these things. This person that died was a casuality of terrorism. Let's pray it doesn't happen again. You have to move on. Nuff said! |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:51 am |
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Erolz,
Do you speak greek? |
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