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The U.S Greater plan for Kurds

Postby brother » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:06 pm

The United States has begun to implement its Great Game
Under the above title, Istanbul daily AKSAM newspaper (23.07.05), publishes the following commentary by Sakir Suter:

Yesterday, just as I was about to finish up my column, an important piece of information arrived by telephone. I couldn't believe it, but then I confirmed it via two other sources. The more I listened, the more my amazement grew. And while there was at first one topic, as the information I received multiplied, the colour of the matter changed.

Let me first convey the first information that I got: 3.5 tons of explosives have been smuggled into Turkey! This is a very significant quantity; it is hard to believe, but the information, unfortunately, is true. And also, unfortunately, the matter is not limited to this.

- These explosives are American-made!

- The forces of [Iraqi Kurdistan Democratic Party - KDP - leader Mas'ud] Barzani along the Turkish-Iraqi border have been armed to an excessive degree.

- Barzani's peshmergas [irregular fighters] are being trained by "the known experts". A "bloc", in the full tense of the word, has been formed, together with US troops.

- In Turkey, propaganda of "Let us carry out a cross-border operation" is being pumped up very intensely. This is entirely an American plot! Some people are consciously involved, while others are, unknowingly, being used in this game.

- It appears that Turkey is going to be forced to conduct a cross-border operation.

- If we go into Iraq, we will very probably have to fight not the PKK [Workers' Party of Kurdistan] or the peshmergas, but US troops.

- We could also suffer serious casualties in the course of this. Because Northern Iraq has turned into an "arms depot" in the full sense of the word.

- At the moment, the terrorism in Turkey has no connection to Imrali [referring to PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, imprisoned on Imrali Island] we are confronting terrorism that is completely directed by the United States.

After providing this information, we come to the "whys and the wherefores" of the matter. And the information provided in this regard is as follows:

- The United States believes that it has found a suitable basis on which to put into implementation its project for a "Kurdish Autonomous State", which for years it has not given up on.

- For Barzani to remain in Northern Iraq, even more than for [Patriotic Union of Kurdistan - PUK - leader Jalal] Talabani to be elected as President of Iraq, is a particular preference in order for the project to be implemented in a more sound way.

- The fact that the terrorism is now concentrated in Cukurca derives from the fact that that region has been chosen as a "base", to be handed over to Kurdistan.

- More explicitly, territory is going to be demanded from Turkey for the "Kurdish Autonomous State" that is to be formed out of the Sunni Kurds! An effort is underway for Turkey to be forced into accepting this.

- The artificial terrorist actions, and the equipping of the peshmergas with the most modern weapons... the "alleged PKK actions"... and the Turkish military's being forced to conduct a cross-border operation... All of these things are parts of this US plan.

- The United States is preparing to turn to Turkey and say the following:

1- There is a reciprocal pushing and shoving underway. There are losses of life taking place both on your side and on the Iraqi side. And you are unable to put an end to the PKK terrorism.

2- So come and, as Turkey, assist in the establishment not of an independent [state], but rather a "Kurdish Autonomous State".

3- In this way, attain peace thanks to a new state which will be under your control, and let an end be put to the terrorism of the PKK, and so let peace come to the region.

Some of what I have written above is not at all new to those who have closely followed events.

What is new is the fact that concrete steps have begun to be taken for the things that have been talked about for years to be put into actual implementation.

And furthermore...

Even if the United States has not openly declared this project, it has been talking about it behind closed doors. Approximately ten years ago, it had conveyed this project to the Turkish Prime Minister at the time, and had gotten this response: "I, being in a coalition government, cannot take the lead in the establishment of a "Kurdish Autonomous State". If the opposition were to take part as well, then perhaps..."

The same US officials then conveyed these suggestions of theirs to the leader of the main opposition party at the time, and got this response: "I cannot say 'yes' to this. And the government cannot do so either. And I do not see it as possible to convince the military and the public in Turkey regarding such a project."

Efforts are being made today to implement this US project, which was thought to have been "shelved" a decade ago.

And by crafting a very despicable plan, at that...

The United States, which went into Iraq for the sake of "combating international terrorism", is not hesitating to incite "regional terrorism", costing the lives of Turkish people, in order for a "Kurdish Autonomous State" to be established.

Well, can all of these things actually come about? I cannot say.

And in my view, the problem depends less on what the United States is going to do than on what Turkey's stance is going to be in the face of such a situation. In short, Ankara, both at home and abroad, is being watched very closely.


What do other's think, will the U.S be able to do this and will Turkey have to accept it
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Postby JustAnAmerican » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:12 pm

I have talked to two regional experts. The US goverment does not support a " Kurdish Autonomous State." Perhaps some Pro-Greek-American or Pro-Kurdish-American groups do.

I have been asked by a moderator in the Cyprus-Forum to make a comment. Without researching Sakir Suter sources and his previous work, keep in mind the following:

1. American made- the US government does not own one single manufacturing factory, so it most likely that anything found in or near a region was bought by someone who bought it from someone else. Also, if we wanted to arm anyone and claim no involvement, we would buy Soviet or Chinese made equipment. Or as before we would tell, one country to go buy this for another. Trust me, most arms dealers will sell to anyone.

2. Currently the Kurds operate, live and prosper in an autonomous region in Iraq. There is no need for a state or a country as far as we are concerned. The Kurds have a respectable amount of power within Iraq.

Now could the theory if true be a type of leveraging arm against Turkey? Perhaps.

Keep in mind; we are stretched very thin militarily wise. The US government would not have the support for any action that could be viewed against Turkey.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:49 pm

1.If I understand correctly from the article, leave the government but the Turkish military WON'T accept anything that would threaten the Turkish borders, people, integrity, secularity!!
2.About the cross-border operation, if this is what is needed then it will be done and I am sure the protection and security in the area will be established by Iran, Turkey and Syria.As I am not sure if Syria would help this, but I am pretty sure Iran would contribute to this action as it threatens the Iranians as well. This action would get much more powerful with the anti-American feeling we have in the area!!
3.This is to brother: This may seem really stupid and unreal BUT I think this may turn into something as Metal Firtina.(I don't mean 100 % but I think the idea is that)


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WHAT I JUST WROTE IS WHAT I THINK, IF I UNDERSTOOD THE POST CORRECTLY
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Postby brother » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:57 pm

BUT I think this may turn into something as Metal Firtina.(I don't mean 100 % but I think the idea is that)



Explain to me what you mean by this Turkey.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:12 pm

Brother said:
If we go into Iraq, we will very probably have to fight not the PKK [Workers' Party of Kurdistan] or the peshmergas, but US troops.


This is what I mean, then the US troops will be complaining that we were attacking them!! Which is not true, because we are going in there to eliminate PKK!!
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:22 am

Who cares if the bombs are american made. Just and American makes a good point one person buys them off one person who bought them off another and then sold them to his sister's neighbours cousin. Big deal.

The weapons that theTurkish army uses to occupy Cyprus illegally, in contrevention of court rulings and UN resolutions are bought directly. That is not a big issue either. There are only one or two companies that make this crap its a monoploy what do you wnat them to do make their own stuff in the garage.

-and not every one accepts that the PKK is primarily a Terrorist organisation. Only Turkey thinks of the PKK as purely a terrorist organisation rather than being primarily a political organisation.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:30 am

Yeah right!! Iran also recognizes PKK as pure terrorist organization...16 soldiers dead yesterday in a combat with PKK...from milliyet
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Postby 2fan » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:44 am

Brother:

In my estimation this story is a crock of shit. America, Turkey, Syria and Iran DO NOT support an independent kurdish state. Creating a state would further drive down America's reputation that we are trying to repair. In addition, most of the people I discuss the war in Iraq and Afghanistan are very much opposed to them.

If America opened up another frontier, especially against a NATO ally, the American people would be outraged. Most want our troops to come back home. This is simply a conspiracy theory.
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Postby 2fan » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:50 am

Turkey (( * wrote:Yeah right!! Iran also recognizes PKK as pure terrorist organization...16 soldiers dead yesterday in a combat with PKK...from milliyet


So does America and most European nations.
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Postby erolz » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:04 am

Agios Amvrosios wrote:-and not every one accepts that the PKK is primarily a Terrorist organisation. Only Turkey thinks of the PKK as purely a terrorist organisation rather than being primarily a political organisation.


Try playing spot the PKK listing

Here - US state department list of foreign terrorist groups

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/rpt/fto/2001/5258.htm

Or here - UK homes offices list

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/terrorism/threat/groups/

Or here - EU's list (pdf format)

http://www.statewatch.org/news/2005/mar/terr-list2.pdf
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