Cyprus Cyprus, Turkey and Eu

sk · instructor

well said piratis

brother · professor

Actually this is our country and the current situation might not be the best but those who like to say "my country and if you do not like it leave" are the partitionists i would imagine.

Also those who think they have been there 3500 years can they show proof and i bet they cannot as we barely kept records and surnames were not contineous instead most cypriots took their fathers first name as a surname hence Mr piratis could have as recently as a 100 years ago come from another country.

Next all those that are proud of there E.U membership and like to quote human rights should first learn to be europeans before they try to take the high moral ground and to remember in 50 years time cyprus will belong and be home to peoples from over 30 countries and it would be the height of bad manners to say "this is my country we have been here 3500 years"
and like that gives you the right to be an arrogant person so the moral of the story is TREAT PEOPLE AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED and then we should have very few problems imo.

cannedmoose · professor

Given the degree of settlement/colonisation/emigration that Cyprus has undergone during the last 3,500 years, it's highly unlikely that anyone is of pure ancient Hellenic stock. You're far more likely to have ancestors from the Middle East who settled in Cyprus and adopted the Hellenic culture, than to have ancestors amongst the original Hellenic settlers from year dot.

gabaston · instructor

Well said "brother"......................MY COUNTRY ...............MY COUNTRY..........for 3500 years..........thats a long long long time isnt it?.........How many deaths have come and gone during that three point five millenia?......................why? because it was MY COUNTRY.............
During those 3500 years how many WARS WARS WARS?....... Why? because its MY COUNTRY...........if ever it had been OUR country there would have been no WAR.......no refugees, no partition, no enosis...........................and evrything that came with it. No Turkish Army, No Grivas, No Makarios, No Akritas. Make no mistake its those people with the "My Country" attitude, who got Cyprus into the mess its in today. But they had to make it "MY"Country, and those who didnt like it could leave huh? and if they didnt want to leave .....huh then what>>>>...............AKRITAS?

So better start thinking in the of plural, otherwise there might be another three thousand five hundred years of hatred, and suffering for us all to edure.

gabaston · instructor

Since the day I was born in the land that my ancestors have been living for 3500 years. Any problem with that?

Whose was it before that ? The Egytians? The Hitites? Oh i remember it was Aphroditie, then you changed your religion and The Almighty gave it to you. Who lived in USA at that time? Who lived in Australia at that time?
Who lived in half the entire world at that time? Shall we turn the clocks back? Cyprus was effectively yours during the period which i selectively remember and you selectively forget. You lot mucked it up, through your own policy which you have put on show for the entire world to see, here on this forum and in your own words " If they dont like it they can leave" ....what if we dont to leave??......................................... another Akritas?

gabaston · instructor

Yes maybe i'm looking at it one sided. you may be right. But know too that my grandfather a ninety year old gentleman had a hand grenade thrown into his bed whilst he lay sleeping by General Grivas's soldiers in the totally unprovoked attack of Kophinou of 67.
This attack took place in the early hours of the morning, by two thousand Greek soldiers, mainland? national guard? i dont know........(excuse my attitude, but no doubt there will be someone claiming even "Turkish Soldiers", stirring up war excuses). My personal experience of Cyprus has been nothing but of suffering for Turkish Cypriots since independance. TC's never had a future. A true very small cameo of the treatment and social placement of an average tc follows: A friend of mine one day plucked up the courage to walk out of his Turkish village enclave for the first time in seven years. He walked to the nearest Greek town whereupon for the first time in his life he noticed a beautiful small Church. He stood there admiring it. He was then approached by a gc policeman, arrested, taken to a Greek police station, and had the crap kicked out of him. Why..................????

We were supposed to live together, as one people with equal rights, in the eyes of the law. However our point was that while Gc was eating off the table, Tc was licking the crumbs from the floor. How would you have liked it? How long would you have put up with that?

We lived under this regime from 60 till 74 when Athens decided that Makarios was taking too long. Tc were leaving Cyprus at the first opportunity, but it was still taking too long for Athens's liking, so they sent in Samsom. Please dont tell me that Samson was going to restore tc's human rights, i think we all know what he had in store for tc's then. And please don’t tell me this was all some plan cooked up thirty years ago by Britain USA & Turkey, coz if it were they could have all saved themselves, billions upon billions, and thousands of lives and done it then. Enough excuses please, if anyone is to blame then its EOKA , their followers and those who chose to turn a blind eye..

Had the turkish army not have come we would today still be living under that same oppressive regime. (Economic deprivation and the fear of isolated attacks). Greek Cypriots, and there are many wonderful ones would not have the attitude that they have today of "lets just forget about the past", because what would have been left of the tc population after migration, would have been some insignificant little bunch of downtroddens. A mad paradox to this mental present situation in Cyprus is that had the T Army not have come, then Cyprus could not have joined the Eu because of the human rights violations and inequalities suffered by a percentage of its own population namely the tc's. Truth be told i think many gc's were actually unaware of the tc plight, and are still not aware of much how tc’s suffered..

Without the past we would not be here today. Tc lived under Greek majority rule. They tried and they suffered. What has changed? What laws have Gc passed since, proclaiming, and admitting the illegal activities of Eoka such as The Aktritas?. Instead we are told that its all lies, a Turkish plot to discredit the Makarios regime.
TC’s l-i-v-e-d the Akritas plan for 14 yrs. Whether it was written or not, and who planned it or not, tc’s lived it, and know its real. You didn’t.

I firmly believe that there are many good hearted gc's who do want only to live together with their tc brothers in peace and harmony, but there are still many gc's who still want no tc's on Cyprus, (just read this forum, its their country and if we don’t like it we can leave, and if we don’t leave? then what? Another Akritas until we do I guess). How do we tell the difference? Which of you should we trust. What happens if the Turk hating gc's get into power again? The right wing plan always has been that the rest will always follow come the day of reckoning, and that’s how Hitler killed six million in gas chambers…………………………………

What is it that we are supposed to return to?
Who can we trust? Those who saved us from extinction? or those who say never mind its all in the past lets try and be friends again?
Who would you trust?

Hows this?

I end with respect for my gc brothers and sisters.….

Am I beleived?

insan · lecturer

Welcome to the forum gabatson. I share and second your views and opinions. Smile

magikthrill · lecturer

insan, somehow if i find it hard for you to "Share" the following view

insan · lecturer

magikthrill · lecturer