What a Turk in Turkey thinks...
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 Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:15 pm |
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I'm a member of another forum in Turkish founded in Turkey. And I quoted some of what you wrote in that forum. And a Turk answered it. He asked me to translate it. So, I've pasted The quotation and his answer here.
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We are talking about how we are going to liberate it from the occupation.
If your country was invaded by lets say Russia to protect the Kurdish minority, would you accept a solution like the Annan plan for you country? (Kurds having a veto for every decision, Russia maintaining troops in Turkey and have the right to ntervene whenever they see fit, that the Kurdish state will be much bigger than their population (35% of Turkey) etc) Would you accept such things? I am sure you wouldn't. Therefore don't expect from us to accept such things, and don't tell us that this thing is supposedly balanced!
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I think the Greek are wrong. You ask why?
Many a country in the history dominated Cyprus. Byzantium, Perses, some islamic countries, England, Egypt and so on...
In 1571 Turks invaded the island. Pressure put by the former dominant country stopped. And Uk get it in 1878. With that estates of Turks were taken over by British government. A policy of making Turks poor started so land owned by Turks diminished. When Turks left Cyprus and memigrated to UK and Turkey, Turks in the island became minority.
In 1st world war UK completely got the island by tearing up the aggreement done with Ottoman Empire. After 1950 Greek having a riot against British Government stated their plan to terminate Turks along with the British. And Cyprus Republic was founded in 1960 with the Greek, Turkish and British guarantors. Although the government of the state was almost in the hands of the greek they were greedy to get the whole government. And massacres began. And Turkey had to intervene against the inhuman events.
In history, Turks dominated Cyprus more than Greek. There is no evidence or claim that that there were any social, economic, religious pressure on Greek while the sovereignty of Turks.
AS for Annan Plan, veto , deploying troops, and intervening rights are not something new, they were the rights which Turkey had partially, but Turkey didn't evaluate or couldn't find a chance so the events continued to be massacre until 1974.
If we have a look at Turkey in the example, Today Turkey don't put pressure on Kurds but a fight against PKK (Terrorist movement of Kurds who want independence) But we can't see Kurds and PKK equal. In that situation, Russia could want to protect PKK not the Kurds. PKK is a terrorist movement which is recognized by all the states as a terrorist grup. Turkish Cypriots didn't fought against the Greek with an aim of ethnical cleanse. Turkish troops landed the island with only the aim of defence. When she had the chance of invading the whole island in a war aimed at attack , Turkey didn't use that right.
As a consequence, the example given above is completely wrong and has no relationship with the Cyprus Problem. Turkey still protects Kurds against PKK in Turkey. That is, there is no assimilation policy against kurds, if so, There wouldn't be Hadep or Dehap (Kurdish Parties), even presidents or Kurdish originated deputies . Also if they can prove that Turkey started an ethnical cleansing against Kurds, let them intervene, I don't think they will hesitate to do that when they have found proof.
In Cyprus there's no land wanted more than normal. As I stated above, Turks already emigrated to Turkey or UK leaving their own lands. It means Northern Cyprus where they live now was already the region where Turks were majority in the whole
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So this is what a Turks thinks about Cyprus problem, Is he right or wrong?
If you want to read the original text which he wrote you can go this page:
http://beyinfirtinasi.board.dk3.com/2/viewtopic.php?t=85 |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:48 pm |
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| Many a country in the history dominated Cyprus. Byzantium, Perses, some islamic countries, England, Egypt and so on... |
... but always for the last 3.500 years the majority of this island is Greek.
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| In history, Turks dominated Cyprus more than Greek. |
To be in Cyprus, Turks had to invade and use force. Greeks are here not because of invasion, but because Cyprus has been inhabited by Greeks for 3.500 years. At that time not even the word Turk existed.
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| Turkey still protects Kurds against PKK in Turkey. |
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| It means Northern Cyprus where they live now was already the region where Turks were majority in the whole history. |
The whole history?? Did this guy graduated from the elementary school? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:34 am |
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| It's complete waste of time to even read such lies. I mean if you're going to make up such lies, at least put some effort in them. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:37 pm |
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| Turkish troops landed the island with only the aim of defence. When she had the chance of invading the whole island in a war aimed at attack , Turkey didn't use that right. |
Why did Turkey invade Cyprus twice then?
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| Northern Cyprus where they live now was already the region where Turks were majority in the whole |
Colonisation is just another one of your crimes. You paid people to come here and they came by the thousands. According to the United Nations colonisation is illegal.
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| A policy of making Turks poor started so land owned by Turks diminished |
My British history teacher told me that after Cyprus was handed over to the British, administration continued to be in Turkish hands and the fact that this changed when the Republic of Cyprus was formed is one of the reasons they despised the new Republic. And if they lost their land it's not because of us - we didn't have to pay for it by being ethnicly cleansed.
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| And massacres began |
Yes indeed a few hundreds of Turkish Cypriots were killed by blood-thirsty militants but you don't retaliate by killing 7600 people (about 6000 killed during the Turkish Invasions and 1600 "missing") raping 1000 women ( some of them were raped once some of them were kept as prostitutes and guess what happened to those, they went crazy ) and forcing 200,000 thousand people to leave their homes.
The Turks didn't come here to restore order. Who do you think you're kidding?[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:55 pm |
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this discussion where everyone weighs up injustice is pointless and can lead to no conclusion.
For example what you have been taught by your British history teacher is not how it is taught everywhere. there is another point of view, one you may choose to believe or not. There is plenty of material available about the 1960-63 period, you see for yourself whether or not they confirm what you have been taught. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:50 pm |
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| Yes indeed a few hundreds of Turkish Cypriots were killed by blood-thirsty militants but you don't retaliate by killing 7600 people (about 6000 killed during the Turkish Invasions and 1600 "missing") raping 1000 women ( some of them were raped once some of them were kept as prostitutes |
A few hundreds ? Anyway...
You are talking about 7600 people and 1600 missing Greek Cypriots.
These were innocent ones or the ones who clashed with Turkish soldiers and served to EOKA?
I don't know about raping part.But if its true its a big shame ! |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:31 pm |
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| A few hundreds ? Anyway... |
You have better statistics?
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| These were innocent ones or the ones who clashed with Turkish soldiers and served to EOKA? |
Most of them were unarmed citizens. But according to you the ones that died defending there country from an invasion are not innocent??? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:43 pm |
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Most of them were unarmed citizens. But according to you the ones that died defending there country from an invasion are not innocent??? |
Defending the country from what? Turkey is a quarantor ! At first it came to island to stop fire in Cyprus and to establish the spoilt constitutional order of Republic Of Cyprus.Turkey's mistake was started from this point.It didn't established the order of Republic Of Cyprus and it didn't established the spoilt constitutional order of RC.
I think Turkey in that time must punish the terrorists and after establishing constitutional order and security it must decrease its soldiers to 650 ! Seperating the island with TRNC was the biggest mistake of her. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:23 am |
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| Defending the country from what? Turkey is a quarantor ! |
From something which was clearly an invasion.
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| I think Turkey in that time must punish the terrorists and after establishing constitutional order and security it must decrease its soldiers to 650 ! |
No it must remove all the soldiers and we will do the same |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:21 am |
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| when you say 'we' are you referring to soldiers from Greece? |
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