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Postby Turanian » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:40 pm

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Main_Source wrote:How are people from Finland and Manchester related to Turks?


:lol: :lol: I'll assume you're joking Sourcey. Manchurian, not Mancunian re...

As for the Finns, their origins are from the Ugric areas of Siberia (origins shared by modern Magyars. Since this area was considered part of the Turkic world, Turanians obviously claim these folk as their own. However, the link between the Finns and the Turkic world is tenuous and highly disputed as they emerged from different geographical areas in Siberia and Central Asia.


Turanians don't claim anything, Finns are Turanians as they are part of the Uralic group. If Turks claimed they were Turkic, then it would be highly disputable - and probably wrong.

Many Finns themselves are deeply interested in their roots back in Eurasia. Unfortunately, a minority know much about their true roots and their Evenk, Sakha, Lapp and Karelian bretherin, but, thankfully, this is on the rise as more and more discover their origins in interest.

So, Finns are Turanians. It is their link to Turkic people in particular that is far less clear and far more diluted. As you rightly say, it is a tenuous link; even though runestones have been found in Finland (Sweden and Denmark too) closely related to the script of the Goktürk Empire further east, their Turkic roots are abviously weak.

But they remain Turanians.

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(I realise that in my previous post i should not have said the Turan was only where Turkic people inhabit, but mostly...
Then again, Finland - and Estonia - have become so Europeanised they might as well not be included in the geography of the Turan, even though they are Turanians.)
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Postby 2fan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:00 am

Welcome to the forum! 8)
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Postby Turanian » Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:57 am

Thanks!

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Postby sk » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:57 pm

wow...very interesting facts!!how come and you like history so much?are you a university student or are you a historian?or is it just a hobby?
and welcome to the forum!!!!
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Postby Sotos » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:37 am

We have 1000s of tourists from Finland here. I do not think they look anything like Turks. If they are the same race they should look very similar. no?
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Postby sk » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:58 am

its not just looks that decides whether some people come from the same race....its a more complicated issue......language for example (grammar rules and pronounciation) is another important factor....i speak some hungarian and i met a lot of finnish people....at first the two languages sound very different but after a closer "look" you can see that many grammar rules are the same.(and believe me hungarian is very different from other european languages)this should be valid for turkish also....
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Postby city » Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:35 am

that comes because Hungarian and Finnish are only related to each other and not any other language.
Its weird because the two countries are so far away from each other, but history sometimes goes strange ways....
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Postby Sotos » Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:51 am

its not just looks that decides whether some people come from the same race....its a more complicated issue......language for example

Race is mostly about genes and this is why the way somebody looks is important. In UK white people, black people, Asians ... all speak English but they are obviously not the same race.
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Postby sk » Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:52 am

yes you r right soto but when you consider language you automatically take as a fact that you talk lets say about original english people......same goes eg. for spanish or hungarian....
the majority of hungarians are blonde with the minority being darker color. the strange thing is that the original hungarian color is dark and not blonde!so when we say for example that the hungarians are related to eg. A or B race ,we dont mean everybody that lives in hungary or mixed at some point with hungarians(inevitable bc of austrohungarian empire,romanian,slovak and serb neighbours who are traditionally blonde!!!) is related,we mean those people who genetically have original hungarian genes......
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Postby Sotos » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:20 am

Then I guess we can say that the original Hungurians belonged to that race but this is not the case now. Same for the Finnish.
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