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Compromise, but How?

Postby Turker » Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:17 am

We always say that we'll come to a compromise...

But what are the points of a compromise? What are the points that 2 sides will accept.

Please state your ideal plan that can easily be accepted by both sides.
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Postby michalis5354 » Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:58 pm

Very briefly I can say that a federal model that is functioning in Belgium or UK can be a good framework !

We can get a model that has been proved to be succesful in practise like the above! Regarding Democracy , Prosperity , human rights , freedom etc etc.
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Postby Turker » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:11 pm

but as you know T/C want veto right
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:55 pm

Individual issues does not make any sense! It s evaluation of the whole plan and how this functions which makes sense!


What veto power means? Veto is used to block decisions that do not promote the Cyprus interest or are seen to be biased! Isnt that the sole purpose of it?
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Postby Turker » Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:11 pm

But it is asked to protect themselves from biased Greek decisions.
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Postby X-ite » Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:01 am

The new state will never function if you keep blocking all the decisions. And what do you mean biased Greek decisions? What can the GCs do that will be against you? What if the TCs keep blocking decisions that will not be 100% in their favour?
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Postby Turker » Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:19 pm

You mean, "with our majority, we can block every decision, but little Muslim minority can't do that." ???

What's the difference of communities?

If Ottoman Empire settled more people in Cyprus and exceeded the population of Greeks, would you accept your having no veto right?

And TCs really need that veto right...

We can easily understand from your policies that you want TC to be a minority. If you get a solution that doesn't give a veto right to TCs then your GREAT POLITICIANS like Papadopulos, will start a campaign of discriminating against TCs. You will behave TCs as a 2nd class citizen.

If TCs are constitutent community in any plan then, you should accept that right. And bear in mind that, the constitution under which you live now once accepted the veto right of TCs, but you didn't implemented it. Another GREAT POLITICIAN Mr. "Most Blessed" Makarios ruined it!

If two sides are kind to each other, the state will function even better than the Greek-Governed Cyprus Republic of Southern Cyprus and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
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Postby michalis5354 » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:15 pm

If two sides are kind to each other, the state will function even better than the Greek-Governed Cyprus Republic of Southern Cyprus and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.


Yes thats absolutely true. Instead of coming forward with all these extreme issues which make the aggreement 100% impossible it would be wiser If they worked constructively to find solutions to problems.

They are the people who make any plan to function and succeed and not the specific legal aspects of any plan.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:00 pm

Turker, why you don't give to the Kurds of Turkey what you are asking for Turkish Cypriots.
Give them their own federal state. Give them a veto power. etc.

When you do that in your own country, then come to tell us what we should do with our own.

After-all, Kurds do have a specific area (Kurdistan) that they were living for many centuries, while in the case of Turkish Cypriots such defined area does not exist.

It sounds very provocative when your country is one of the top countries for human rights violations, you have a history full of massacres and genocides, and then you come to give lessons to us!

Remember, you are from Turkey, not from Switzerland.
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Postby Turker » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:43 pm

My Friend Piratis wrote:Turker, why you don't give to the Kurds of Turkey what you are asking for Turkish Cypriots.
Give them their own federal state. Give them a veto power. etc.

When you do that in your own country, then come to tell us what we should do with our own


Because there didn't happen any massacres to Kurds living peacefully in Turkey. They have many rights. Even being a president. And They became presidents also. Yet I wish they should be given more cultural rights. There is no pressure in Turkey to make a federal system in Turkey. And most Kurds already don't want that as far as i know. (Lates election showed that Kurdish party got %6 votes while Kurds are %18 )

But your position is different, Turkey's a hand is still in Cyprus. She almost governs it.

I think you are absolutely right to complain that status-quo but there is no way accepting a compromise. I'm so sorry. Cyprus is an important land not only for Turkey but also for Greece, UK and US. I mean it's not a simple island, but strategically important. You can understand that from the 2 British Base. I'd also reject that plan if I were you, but you know it is the situation that you have to face now, unfortunately.

I hope you will come to a compromise and with a state with politicians kind to each other and their communities you'll live on your peaceful island.



For now, enjoy only the southern side :(

(Maybe you realized that there are some changes in my oppinions, because I'm now more aware of what happened actually, but not still certain)
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