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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:33 pm

Can we go back to basics? One man one vote.
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:13 am

...exactly what we have here, don't we?

nothing weighted, nothing that assumes the split will always remain the same as demographics go, nothing which obliges someone to determine if you are "Greek" or "Turkish", just one vote, even if there are three (or more) slates to vote from.
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:20 pm

I think I will print another copy. The first one run out fast. :mrgreen:
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:07 pm

...no problem, forgive the indiscretion, but i am sorry you must be full of shit.

...hope you feel better soon.

cheers!
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:56 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...no problem, forgive the indiscretion, but i am sorry you must be full of shit.

...hope you feel better soon.

cheers!

Thanks RW. It's the perfect way to get relief from constipation. :mrgreen:
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:19 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...exactly what we have here, don't we?

nothing weighted, nothing that assumes the split will always remain the same as demographics go, nothing which obliges someone to determine if you are "Greek" or "Turkish", just one vote, even if there are three (or more) slates to vote from.


Why is it progressive for a small state like Cyprus to be subdivided into 3 smaller states? Would each one have an EU veto?
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:41 pm

OP i am surprised you did not get the gist of the plan. there is one State, and only one State, we are Individuals under its Constitution, not "Greeks" or "Turks". and although there are Greeks and Turks as sitting Representatives, they are most unlikely to vote along ethnic lines, and there is no veto along these lines either. at another level of Government, the Cypriot Constituencies will each have a National Assembly, where as Persons, and by where they reside i might add, they vote for the needs they have as this distinct identity, to provide for themselves (hospitals, schools, and other infrastructure) they need to sustain themselves in their daily lives, as well as respecting and recognising the special needs that the Minorities amongst them require as well.

...it is arguable that this political system is expensive, more expensive than a Unitary State, however when one considers the cost to the island remaining divided, it is easy to see why a true BBF is attractive. also, let's not forget that the world is mobile, and that we are a member of the EU (now at its advent), these conditions alone overwhelmingly imply that the demographics of the island's population will change, so too rates of population growth. whether people choose to live as Greeks or Turks in one Constituency or another, their representation as Human Beings is assured with their vote at the Federal level, without this ethnic identity having much to do with who they choose as representatives. furthermore, the number of Constituencies is not limited to two, it only requires Cypriots to vote as Cypriots, should they decide that people such as Maromites and Armenians have equal rights in the care they can put into their Heritance in Cyprus, as well as its Living Relics.
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:25 pm

So lets try and simplify what you are saying every citizen has 3 votes one for the candidates in the north state one for the candidates in the south state and one for the candidates at the federal level, is that right?


no vp...

...there are two levels of government. at the Federal level, each Citizen votes for two representatives to sit in the Upper House, one Turkish, one Greek. they will vote for an Independant Representative, an Individual held in high esteem within the electoral riding without a political affiliation, for the Lower House.

...as for the Cypriot Constituent states, each will have their own National Assembly, representing their electorate as Persons, and as a Majority, demonstrating their respect and recognition of the special needs of the Minorities which live amongst them. i have made no suggestion as to their structure, i assume that the voters will have one representative to vote for which will be determined by their residence.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus39741-20.html#p742603


So at the federal level which it where laws are passed if we have for example 50 TCs and 50 GCs how many independents will there be and where will they come from? will the have the deciding votes?


50 TCs and 50 GCs implies 50 electoral ridings. Independants do not sit in the Upper House. and to be Candidates, they do not have to be of any ethnicity, on the other hand they are required to demonstrate qualities the voters respect, as sober second thinkers, the people from within their own communities who deserve this recognition, (frankly, i wish that the Lower House's seats are filled by Lottery, rather than by vote, ordinary Citizens, (lol) as in a Jury, seems to work quite well). if the Lower House does not pass a bill, they can amend it, but either way it returns to the Upper House where it must pass again. i assume some limit can be placed on the number of times this cycle can occur, if a Bill is amended by the Lower House, but it is a detail to be worked out.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus39741-20.html#p742603


...for the sake of the debate, i have moved these posts here; thanks.
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:36 pm

kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...no problem, forgive the indiscretion, but i am sorry you must be full of shit.

...hope you feel better soon.

cheers!

Thanks RW. It's the perfect way to get relief from constipation. :mrgreen:


...wait a minute, coming from you, that's a real compliment; thank-you!

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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:03 pm

repulse your upper house structure is not only ambiguous but very dangerous, the majority being the Gcs will use their advantage to get their candidates into office for both states therefore taking control of the whole island.
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