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...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:33 am

Quote:
That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.



...i guess i'm too lazy to find the definitive source of where this Statement comes from, but this is the link to this quotation's source:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=35098&Cr=&Cr1=


please note:

-a federal government must exist.
-a Turkish Cypriot constituent state must exist.
-a Greek Cypriot constituent state must exist.

thus the only conclusion i can make is that there is a need for Greeks to constitute a form of representation that completes this Agreement's very basis; a Greek Cypriot constituent state.

here are the rainbow lines i draw:

1. the federal government defines its Citizens as Individuals; by their residence.

2. the voting is democratic, all voters voting in the same way, all votes are given the same weight.

3. the legislature for the federal government is Bicameral, it is the Upper House that provides leadership, having seats equally divided among Turkish and Greek representatives where a majority of seats must be won by a leader who becomes President. and a Lower House which is elected by Population, as Independants representing sober second thinking, voting by consensus through a Speaker, they would also sit in Government Committees. (slight shades of the Annan plan)

4. as such, a voter will vote thricely (voting once), from three seperate slates, so that the best representatives are elected by and for the voter's riding, they will vote for their Turkish Cypriot Representative and their Greek Cypriot Representative, as well as their Independant. Representative. (shades of the guy or was it the guy before that)

...do the math (for the Upper and Lower House), then assume larger populations and a different demographic, do the math again...

...then consider how over time a representative's experience and expertise can grow, and consider how this changing population is open to a representation in the future which will sustain Turkish and Greek identities by civic leaders of neither ethnicity.

5. the Turkish constituent state, and the Greek constituent state shall be equal, in that they each represent themselves as Persons in a National Assembly where their electorate is identified by their residence, and in that they obtian their Charter meeting the same criteria determined by the federal government which retains its Sovereignty while assigning territorial Jurisdiction.

6. Bizonal shall define a geographic representation of our commitment to redressing the suffering of all displaced, with their return, for some as communities. thus the island as it is divided has to its political geography many pockets added everywhere, resulting in the obligation of the National Assemblies to provide their service to an electorate that is island-wide.

7. settlers who apply for Citizenship, who are accepted, and who will be newly displaced (from the repopulation) shall be provided homes, or at their choosing compensation.

other thoughts...

8. a protocol over the land issue shall be formed so that most disputes are settled by the afffected bodies themselves. the IPC's mandate may be extended to settle the compensation issues of all the displaced, however rulings from the Supreme Court of Cyprus must remain a final court of Judgement for all Property issues.

9. each of the governing bodies will have the right to armed forces toward the enforcement of Law. however only the federal government has a right to an armed force which defends the State. for foreign troops to exist on the island, none are Sovereign in their Bases, recognising the will of the Cypriot People. as such demilitarised, their own armed force could gain great experience in union with willing lease holders toward a common goal which may serve the bigger fight against real enemies (such as disaster, or disease, hunger, or where there are refugees and displaced against their slaughter), or otherwise strictly not allowed.

...so, three governments (at least); two levels of government: that's Bicommunal.

...so, constituent states made of many components define a National Identity; they serve this majority first, recognising the special needs of others, Nationally an effort toward the State: this is Bizonal.

dear readers, thank-you for your consideration. and to the wordsmiths, please kindly offer your observations point by point to this document's benefits and pitfalls. whether you agree with its proposal as a solution to the Cyprus Problem or not, i'd like to know if at least it is easy to understand.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:15 am

a Federal government, and two or many National Assemblies; this is Bicommunal.

a State that is Sovereign in representing the island as a single territory, while its parts comprise geographic components; this is Bizonal.
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby denizaksulu » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:33 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
Quote:
That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.



...i guess i'm too lazy to find the definitive source of where this Statement comes from, but this is the link to this quotation's source:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=35098&Cr=&Cr1=


please note:

-a federal government must exist.
-a Turkish Cypriot constituent state must exist.
-a Greek Cypriot constituent state must exist.

thus the only conclusion i can make is that there is a need for Greeks to constitute a form of representation that completes this Agreement's very basis; a Greek Cypriot constituent state.

here are the rainbow lines i draw:

1. the federal government defines its Citizens as Individuals; by their residence.

2. the voting is democratic, all voters voting in the same way, all votes are given the same weight.

3. the legislature for the federal government is Bicameral, it is the Upper House that provides leadership, having seats equally divided among Turkish and Greek representatives where a majority of seats must be won by a leader who becomes President. and a Lower House which is elected by Population, as Independants representing sober second thinking, voting by consensus through a Speaker, they would also sit in Government Committees. (slight shades of the Annan plan)

4. as such, a voter will vote thricely (voting once), from three seperate slates, so that the best representatives are elected by and for the voter's riding, they will vote for their Turkish Cypriot Representative and their Greek Cypriot Representative, as well as their Independant. Representative. (shades of the guy or was it the guy before that)

...do the math (for the Upper and Lower House), then assume larger populations and a different demographic, do the math again...

...then consider how over time a representative's experience and expertise can grow, and consider how this changing population is open to a representation in the future which will sustain Turkish and Greek identities by civic leaders of neither ethnicity.

5. the Turkish constituent state, and the Greek constituent state shall be equal, in that they each represent themselves as Persons in a National Assembly where their electorate is identified by their residence, and in that they obtian their Charter meeting the same criteria determined by the federal government which retains its Sovereignty while assigning territorial Jurisdiction.

6. Bizonal shall define a geographic representation of our commitment to redressing the suffering of all displaced, with their return, for some as communities. thus the island as it is divided has to its political geography many pockets added everywhere, resulting in the obligation of the National Assemblies to provide their service to an electorate that is island-wide.

7. settlers who apply for Citizenship, who are accepted, and who will be newly displaced (from the repopulation) shall be provided homes, or at their choosing compensation.

other thoughts...

8. a protocol over the land issue shall be formed so that most disputes are settled by the afffected bodies themselves. the IPC's mandate may be extended to settle the compensation issues of all the displaced, however rulings from the Supreme Court of Cyprus must remain a final court of Judgement for all Property issues.

9. each of the governing bodies will have the right to armed forces toward the enforcement of Law. however only the federal government has a right to an armed force which defends the State. for foreign troops to exist on the island, none are Sovereign in their Bases, recognising the will of the Cypriot People. as such demilitarised, their own armed force could gain great experience in union with willing lease holders toward a common goal which may serve the bigger fight against real enemies (such as disaster, or disease, hunger, or where there are refugees and displaced against their slaughter), or otherwise strictly not allowed.

...so, three governments (at least); two levels of government: that's Bicommunal.

...so, constituent states made of many components define a National Identity; they serve this majority first, recognising the special needs of others, Nationally an effort toward the State: this is Bizonal.

dear readers, thank-you for your consideration. and to the wordsmiths, please kindly offer your observations point by point to this document's benefits and pitfalls. whether you agree with its proposal as a solution to the Cyprus Problem or not, i'd like to know if at least it is easy to understand.
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Congratulations, you finally duped me into reading your manifesto. :lol:
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:25 am

...thanks, denz; but did it make sense, did (dare i say) you like it?
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:09 am

...here joe, your comments for the readers.

...i would appreciate them too.
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:03 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.



...i guess i'm too lazy to find the definitive source of where this Statement comes from, but this is the link to this quotation's source:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=35098&Cr=&Cr1=


please note:

-a federal government must exist.
-a Turkish Cypriot constituent state must exist.
-a Greek Cypriot constituent state must exist.

thus the only conclusion i can make is that there is a need for Greeks to constitute a form of representation that completes this Agreement's very basis; a Greek Cypriot constituent state.

here are the rainbow lines i draw:

1. the federal government defines its Citizens as Individuals; by their residence.

2. the voting is democratic, all voters voting in the same way, all votes are given the same weight.

3. the legislature for the federal government is Bicameral, it is the Upper House that provides leadership, having seats equally divided among Turkish and Greek representatives where a majority of seats must be won by a leader who becomes President. and a Lower House which is elected by Population, as Independants representing sober second thinking, voting by consensus through a Speaker, they would also sit in Government Committees. (slight shades of the Annan plan)

4. as such, a voter will vote thricely (voting once), from three seperate slates, so that the best representatives are elected by and for the voter's riding, they will vote for their Turkish Cypriot Representative and their Greek Cypriot Representative, as well as their Independant. Representative. (shades of the guy or was it the guy before that)

...do the math (for the Upper and Lower House), then assume larger populations and a different demographic, do the math again...

...then consider how over time a representative's experience and expertise can grow, and consider how this changing population is open to a representation in the future which will sustain Turkish and Greek identities by civic leaders of neither ethnicity.

5. the Turkish constituent state, and the Greek constituent state shall be equal, in that they each represent themselves as Persons in a National Assembly where their electorate is identified by their residence, and in that they obtian their Charter meeting the same criteria determined by the federal government which retains its Sovereignty while assigning territorial Jurisdiction.

6. Bizonal shall define a geographic representation of our commitment to redressing the suffering of all displaced, with their return, for some as communities. thus the island as it is divided has to its political geography many pockets added everywhere, resulting in the obligation of the National Assemblies to provide their service to an electorate that is island-wide.

7. settlers who apply for Citizenship, who are accepted, and who will be newly displaced (from the repopulation) shall be provided homes, or at their choosing compensation.

other thoughts...

8. a protocol over the land issue shall be formed so that most disputes are settled by the afffected bodies themselves. the IPC's mandate may be extended to settle the compensation issues of all the displaced, however rulings from the Supreme Court of Cyprus must remain a final court of Judgement for all Property issues.

9. each of the governing bodies will have the right to armed forces toward the enforcement of Law. however only the federal government has a right to an armed force which defends the State. for foreign troops to exist on the island, none are Sovereign in their Bases, recognising the will of the Cypriot People. as such demilitarised, their own armed force could gain great experience in union with willing lease holders toward a common goal which may serve the bigger fight against real enemies (such as disaster, or disease, hunger, or where there are refugees and displaced against their slaughter), or otherwise strictly not allowed.

...so, three governments (at least); two levels of government: that's Bicommunal.

...so, constituent states made of many components define a National Identity; they serve this majority first, recognising the special needs of others, Nationally an effort toward the State: this is Bizonal.

dear readers, thank-you for your consideration. and to the wordsmiths, please kindly offer your observations point by point to this document's benefits and pitfalls. whether you agree with its proposal as a solution to the Cyprus Problem or not, i'd like to know if at least it is easy to understand.
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Congratulations, you finally duped me into reading your manifesto. :lol:


... and BillC, who didn't know it existed in this relatively easy to read abridged version... :D
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby kurupetos » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:48 pm

Maybe I should order one of these printers...

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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:53 am

absolutely, with what you are filled with, my manifesto may be the relief you've been looking for!
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby Schnauzer » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:47 am

repulsewarrior wrote:absolutely, with what you are filled with, my manifesto may be the relief you've been looking for!



The 'Printing Machine' (suggested by kurupetos) might not be such a bad idea when you consider the fate of the original document.

(All in the best of humour I assure you) Best Wishes for 2013. :wink:




Whether it be by stroke of good fortune or fated by a higher authority, a certain chap who had been driven from his home by an alien force, sat musing over a cup of coffee in a far off land.

A stranger joined him at the table (since there were no other seats available) and on this sunny afternoon a conversation ensued which would change the 'Muser's' life for ever.

By an extraordinary coincidence, both parties hailed from the same location and had similarly been evicted by force from their homes, far from the land in which they now found themselves.

The two (who were soon to become close friends) exchanged pleasantries and it was not long before they discovered to their amazement, that they were children together in the same village of their homeland, furthermore, the 'Stranger' had but recently visited his OWN home and found it to be in ruins.

To the surprise of the 'Muser', the 'Stranger' was able to inform him that HIS home was perfectly intact BUT, it was currently inhabited by a reclusive and shabbily dressed 'Deaf Mute' , apparently shunned by all of his neighbours and quite friendless.

The 'Recluse', lived off the produce of the land which surrounded his land and also kept some farm animals, thereby rendering himself perfectly self sufficient.

The 'Stranger' further informed the ''Muser' that, in stature and general appearance (though shabbily dressed of course) the 'Muser' COULD, with a certain amount of attention to detail, easily disguise himself as the 'Recluse' and perhaps regain his property.

The 'Muser', duly grew his beard and adopted something of a dishevelled countenance in order to 'psyche' himself in preparation for the task that the two of them agreeably resolved to undertake, the 'Stranger' paid particular attention to the details which would ensure the success of the venture they were about to embark upon.

They would return to their homeland and, crossing the border in the dead of night, disguise themselves suitably and usurp the position of the 'Recluse', providing the 'Stranger' could successfully obtain the clothing and walking stick of the 'Recluse'.

As to the dispatch of the 'Recluse', it was of small consequence to the 'Stranger', he was militarily trained and had no qualms about taking revenge upon the one who had stolen his friend's property, the 'Recluse' was slain with some alacrity and there is little need for further explanation.

Safely ensconced in his own property, adorned with his scraggy beard, his turban , flowing robes and pointed shoes, the 'Muser' was perfectly happy with his lot, the 'Stranger' remained with him for a short period and (crossing the border at dead of night) departed and was soon among his own countrymen.

Meanwhile, the 'Muser' grew in confidence in his new role (as the 'Recluse') and one fateful week-end decided to venture forth among the local community, he knew that he would not be well received since the 'Stranger' had informed him so, he knew he would have to adopt the countenance of a 'Deaf Mute' which was a blessing to him since he did not speak the language of locals.

He took with him some farm produce which he sold to a local trader and, with the money he received, treated himself to a meal in one of the local eateries, he was able (by using a few grunts and hand signals) to secure a meal without arousing suspicion, which was an added boost to his confidence.

Ah, but 'Fate' has a way of dealing quite cruelly with those who seek to deceive, perhaps even 'Allah' himself may have decreed that which followed..... from whichever OR whatever source misfortune chose to place it's accursed hand, tragedy was about to strike.

Poor 'Muser',unused as he was to the foreign fare he had just consumed, he developed an excruciating pain in the abdomen and hurriedly prepared to the toilet,the relief he felt upon the violent discharge from his bowels (excuse me Ladies, for there is hardly any other way to describe the event) brought quite a whimsical smile to his face which immediately transformed into an expression of horror when, first he observed just how messy the floor surrounding the 'Hole in the Ground' (which served as a toilet in these premises) was, followed by a wringing of hands when he discovered that there was no toilet paper.

In such a predicament, most of us would feel completely shattered, can you even imagine such a plight ?.

Ah, but once again 'Fate' or even 'Allah' came to the rescue of our daring usurper, perhaps they felt some compassion for the evils that were originally imposed upon him OR, it may even prove to be that both the 'Fates' and 'Allah' himself are politically motivated since, nicely tucked in the folds of his robes, the 'Muser' carried a particular parchment which NEVER left his possession, he now ruefully withdrew it and with it performed the motions necessary to cleanse himself (once again, sorry Ladies) before sadly consigning his beloved parchment to the 'Hole in the Ground' and swirling a bucket of water upon the entire mess.

After shuffling back to his home feeling rather crestfallen, the 'Muser' sat in the corner and buried his head in his hands, "Oh God" says he "Will I ever have the strength and knowledge to reproduce that which was written upon that sacred parchment ?"

THEN, perking up a little , a wry smile appeared on his bearded face, "Ah well" says he, "At least my 'Manifesto' DID prove to be of some use in the end !"
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Re: ...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:20 pm

thank-you Schnauzer, and all the best for the New Year to you too...

maybe kurupetos will venture some day to the village which was lost to him in such a sad circumstance and find the locals willing to share. he may well be grateful for the manifesto which remains unread by him in his pocket. if it serves the purpose of cleaning up after his mess, my work will be done, because as you know it is not the paper which the words are written on that served the purpose, but the spirit of the thing which made him carry these thoughts secretly for so long.
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