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Turkish diplomat resigns over slow pace of EU preparations

Postby cannedmoose » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:13 pm

Continuing on the theme of Turkey/RoC/EU, this piece of news has emerged today.

Top Turkish diplomat resigns ahead of EU talks

The diplomat responsible for co-ordinating Turkey's talks on membership of the EU has resigned after becoming frustrated at the slow pace of preparations in Ankara.

Murat Sungar handed in his resignation on Saturday (5 August) just two months before membership negotiations between the bloc and Turkey are officially scheduled to open.

In a statement Mr Sungar said he was quitting for personal reasons, but Turkish newspapers reported that he resigned due to uncertainty in Ankara about the EU talks.

Turkish Daily News said he had complained about "persistent uncertainty and confusion" in the country's preparation for the 3 October opening of talks.

Full article at http://euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=19671

This may be evidence that forces within Turkey are hedging their bets about whether negotiations will begin in October.
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Postby fi » Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:12 pm

It's true that Turkey is not moving fast enough in making and enforcing the reforms required for EU entry.
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:57 am

the problem is on the implementation. From what i read on indymedia istanbul, few days ago police abused several leftists on F-type cells and generally speaking it will take time to implement the latest changes, especially in east Turkey where the police and the army are the key players and not the legitimate government.

Eu will have to push harder and probably it is a good chance for Tayip to make elections in order to get the ppl's agreement on further changes, win them and go one with more changes against the military and the deep state establishments.

Turkihs army's new chief in 2006 is a more autocrat and big mouth than Ozguk and he will create huge problems.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:04 pm

cmantas_liberal wrote:the problem is on the implementation. From what i read on indymedia istanbul, few days ago police abused several leftists on F-type cells and generally speaking it will take time to implement the latest changes, especially in east Turkey where the police and the army are the key players and not the legitimate government.

Eu will have to push harder and probably it is a good chance for Tayip to make elections in order to get the ppl's agreement on further changes, win them and go one with more changes against the military and the deep state establishments.

Turkihs army's new chief in 2006 is a more autocrat and big mouth than Ozguk and he will create huge problems.


Turkish army's new chief in 2006 will have the balls to open his mouth and show why the army is there! Now you may choose Tayyip so he can finish Turkey's power but that won't happen so you can keep dreaming!!One thing EU or any power will not be able to change: The Army. So keep praying cmantas keep praying...
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:03 pm

i am atheist so i dont pray to anyone...

my ideology is free economy, capitalism and respect on individual human rights and liberties.

What you have not understood is that turkey shall change not Europe. Europe is a superior culturally organisation and you gotta stick with it or leave it.

I wonder what the chief of army in Belgium or Finland would have to say about EU...but ...pf.. if they dare to talk they will kick their arse and they will end up a simple private...

Probably Turkey and dictatorships are the only countries where generals expressin public their views on political issues. I ve never heard the american chief of stuff making comments, not even know his name but Ozguk is like acting as a foreign minister rather than a general. Probably there is a elitistic nomeklatour there wearing military clothes, taking commisions from guns sales (yeah dont forget that the more guns they buy the richer they get those fat military bastards), blackmailing the politicians and making deals with mafia... being a general in turkey must be fantastic.... Shall i apply?
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:05 pm

uh... Since the generals have made turkey such as an ideal country, why dont you go back in turkey to work and live?

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Re: Turkish diplomat resigns over slow pace of EU preparatio

Postby demetriou_74 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:47 pm

cannedmoose wrote:Continuing on the theme of Turkey/RoC/EU, this piece of news has emerged today.

Top Turkish diplomat resigns ahead of EU talks

The diplomat responsible for co-ordinating Turkey's talks on membership of the EU has resigned after becoming frustrated at the slow pace of preparations in Ankara.

Murat Sungar handed in his resignation on Saturday (5 August) just two months before membership negotiations between the bloc and Turkey are officially scheduled to open.

In a statement Mr Sungar said he was quitting for personal reasons, but Turkish newspapers reported that he resigned due to uncertainty in Ankara about the EU talks.

Turkish Daily News said he had complained about "persistent uncertainty and confusion" in the country's preparation for the 3 October opening of talks.

Full article at http://euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=19671

This may be evidence that forces within Turkey are hedging their bets about whether negotiations will begin in October.


not the best example. he could not be that dedicated to resign. should stick it out.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:40 pm

cmantas_liberal wrote:uh... Since the generals have made turkey such as an ideal country, why dont you go back in turkey to work and live?

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I can't work, I am 15!! I want to live in Turkey but my dad's work is here!!Unfortunately I can't live in Turkey!!

cmantas_liberal wrote:i am atheist so i dont pray to anyone...

my ideology is free economy, capitalism and respect on individual human rights and liberties.

What you have not understood is that turkey shall change not Europe. Europe is a superior culturally organisation and you gotta stick with it or leave it.

I wonder what the chief of army in Belgium or Finland would have to say about EU...but ...pf.. if they dare to talk they will kick their arse and they will end up a simple private...

Probably Turkey and dictatorships are the only countries where generals expressin public their views on political issues. I ve never heard the american chief of stuff making comments, not even know his name but Ozguk is like acting as a foreign minister rather than a general. Probably there is a elitistic nomeklatour there wearing military clothes, taking commisions from guns sales (yeah dont forget that the more guns they buy the richer they get those fat military bastards), blackmailing the politicians and making deals with mafia... being a general in turkey must be fantastic.... Shall i apply?


I have already left the EU thought, I don't want TUrkey to go into EU, if you read my other posts you would have seen that.If you want Turkey to change, that will be impossible because we don't wanna change!!As for being a general, I don't know how it is in your country but in Turkey being a general is pretty hard work Moderators Note: Personal remark against other member removed.
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:25 pm

i was kicked out from the army and i did a civil-non gun service so i have small experience since i stayed only for 5 days but i am pretty sure that getting commisons from military procurements must be a hard task to do!
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:38 pm

No wonder you were kicked out of the army!!The way you go everbody would kick you out from the army!!
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