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Postby cmantas_liberal » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:50 am

Dear Mr. Turk,

Since when the army can guarantee a republic? I thought that the constitution and the parties are the guarantees for a republic and not the Army.

This is a unique paradox, shall i remind you some other cases where the army was the one the implement the consitution? Latin America will give you many examples (Pinocet in Chile and etc.) even our Junta in 1967-74 is a case of whatthe army did.

If i am not wrong in 1997 the tanks went for a 'small ride' in Ankara and the day after the muslim P.M. resigned.... Is this the way that a wannabe EU member operates?

I just want you to gimme an EU member where the army takes part on the decision making processes and can overrun political decisions...think and tell me.. i
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:00 pm

cmantas_liberal wrote:Dear Mr. Turk,

Since when the army can guarantee a republic? I thought that the constitution and the parties are the guarantees for a republic and not the Army.

This is a unique paradox, shall i remind you some other cases where the army was the one the implement the consitution? Latin America will give you many examples (Pinocet in Chile and etc.) even our Junta in 1967-74 is a case of whatthe army did.

If i am not wrong in 1997 the tanks went for a 'small ride' in Ankara and the day after the muslim P.M. resigned.... Is this the way that a wannabe EU member operates?

I just want you to gimme an EU member where the army takes part on the decision making processes and can overrun political decisions...think and tell me.. i


Dear Mr.Cmantas,

If you bothered to look and read Turkey's history you might find the answer. The army has always been a blockage to Islamic extrimists and parties. Now this is all I am gonna say may be if you want to know so much, do a research then find the answer yourself as this will be more convincing and rewarding...

PS: If there was no army then Turkey would have been more backwards and that is what the EU wants, so it can throw Turkey like a piece of junk!!
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Postby ChomskyFan » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:34 pm

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cmantas_liberal wrote:Dear Mr. Turk,

Since when the army can guarantee a republic? I thought that the constitution and the parties are the guarantees for a republic and not the Army.

This is a unique paradox, shall i remind you some other cases where the army was the one the implement the consitution? Latin America will give you many examples (Pinocet in Chile and etc.) even our Junta in 1967-74 is a case of whatthe army did.

If i am not wrong in 1997 the tanks went for a 'small ride' in Ankara and the day after the muslim P.M. resigned.... Is this the way that a wannabe EU member operates?

I just want you to gimme an EU member where the army takes part on the decision making processes and can overrun political decisions...think and tell me.. i


Dear Mr.Cmantas,

If you bothered to look and read Turkey's history you might find the answer. The army has always been a blockage to Islamic extrimists and parties. Now this is all I am gonna say may be if you want to know so much, do a research then find the answer yourself as this will be more convincing and rewarding...

PS: If there was no army then Turkey would have been more backwards and that is what the EU wants, so it can throw Turkey like a piece of junk!!

It's not a very good one, it simply replaces Islamism with Ultra-Nationalism.
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Postby cmantas_liberal » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:55 pm

i thought that culture and education can stop the muslim wachos...but it seems that turkey has not suceed in this yet.

You also say about the parties... Representative democracy is about voting parties..innit? what the hell the army is doing blocking the parties?

The deep state banned Dehap that represents the 7% of the electoral body.. it is close to 5 million ppl in turkey.... i wonder how democratic can be such a decision?

Of course such a mentality shows how far turkey stands from Europe, unless we have generals in Brussels and i dont know it.

Finally, do you think that a general with his limited knowledge and weird beliefs can do better the job than an economist, a politilologist, a sociologist or whoever becomes a politician? I doubt about that. I doubt if they know to count from 1 to 10
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:30 pm

cmantas_liberal wrote:i thought that culture and education can stop the muslim wachos...but it seems that turkey has not suceed in this yet.

You also say about the parties... Representative democracy is about voting parties..innit? what the hell the army is doing blocking the parties?

The deep state banned Dehap that represents the 7% of the electoral body.. it is close to 5 million ppl in turkey.... i wonder how democratic can be such a decision?

Of course such a mentality shows how far turkey stands from Europe, unless we have generals in Brussels and i dont know it.

Finally, do you think that a general with his limited knowledge and weird beliefs can do better the job than an economist, a politilologist, a sociologist or whoever becomes a politician? I doubt about that. I doubt if they know to count from 1 to 10


I will say one thing about all this non-sense, after 10-15 years when Asia is the core of power, EU or USA will be nothing. Now you may either gain Turkey on your side now and give it time to develop better OR lose it forever and let it bite you at the end when it develops and passes on the side of Asia.The border country between Asia and Europe is Turkey don't forget!!
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Postby ChomskyFan » Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:32 pm

Turkey (( * wrote:
cmantas_liberal wrote:i thought that culture and education can stop the muslim wachos...but it seems that turkey has not suceed in this yet.

You also say about the parties... Representative democracy is about voting parties..innit? what the hell the army is doing blocking the parties?

The deep state banned Dehap that represents the 7% of the electoral body.. it is close to 5 million ppl in turkey.... i wonder how democratic can be such a decision?

Of course such a mentality shows how far turkey stands from Europe, unless we have generals in Brussels and i dont know it.

Finally, do you think that a general with his limited knowledge and weird beliefs can do better the job than an economist, a politilologist, a sociologist or whoever becomes a politician? I doubt about that. I doubt if they know to count from 1 to 10


I will say one thing about all this non-sense, after 10-15 years when Asia is the core of power, EU or USA will be nothing. Now you may either gain Turkey on your side now and give it time to develop better OR lose it forever and let it bite you at the end when it develops and passes on the side of Asia.The border country between Asia and Europe is Turkey don't forget!!


Turkey, do you realize how utterly impossible it will be to unite Asia in the way Europe is united? Europe is geographically small and together, Asia is massive, Europe, people have overcome their hatreds, Asia, so many different countries hate each other. A lot of Asian Satellite states will just become client states of China in a few years as China builds up it's Empire, just Like America has Latin America, China will economically conquer those around it.

And Europe is fine without America or Asia.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:45 pm

Who said they were going to unite Chomskyfan?? Allies is what I mean, is Turkey united with US??No!But there are some objectives where we help each other(BTW please don't take the topic off-topic, by saying US is a terrorist state).Their hatred may stay in their local conflicts but when it comes to continental problems they will help each other and make a shared objective.
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Postby ChomskyFan » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:26 pm

Turkey (( * wrote:Who said they were going to unite Chomskyfan?? Allies is what I mean, is Turkey united with US??No!But there are some objectives where we help each other(BTW please don't take the topic off-topic, by saying US is a terrorist state).Their hatred may stay in their local conflicts but when it comes to continental problems they will help each other and make a shared objective.


Rubbish, a loose economic union, maybe, a strong political superstate like structure like the EU? no chance.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:30 pm

ChomskyFan wrote:
Turkey (( * wrote:Who said they were going to unite Chomskyfan?? Allies is what I mean, is Turkey united with US??No!But there are some objectives where we help each other(BTW please don't take the topic off-topic, by saying US is a terrorist state).Their hatred may stay in their local conflicts but when it comes to continental problems they will help each other and make a shared objective.


Rubbish, a loose economic union, maybe, a strong political superstate like structure like the EU? no chance.


Get real man, EU is on the edge of going down!!
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Postby ChomskyFan » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:45 pm

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ChomskyFan wrote:
Turkey (( * wrote:Who said they were going to unite Chomskyfan?? Allies is what I mean, is Turkey united with US??No!But there are some objectives where we help each other(BTW please don't take the topic off-topic, by saying US is a terrorist state).Their hatred may stay in their local conflicts but when it comes to continental problems they will help each other and make a shared objective.


Rubbish, a loose economic union, maybe, a strong political superstate like structure like the EU? no chance.


Get real man, EU is on the edge of going down!!


Really? I see a European Parliament, A Council of 25 Ministers, The Commission, and A Supreme Court of Europe (The ECJ), as well as a European Decleration of Human Rights, (The ECHR). I don't see any of these things in Asia. Do you see an Asian Parliament?

Try getting The Pakistanis and the Indians to join together in this 'union' :lol:
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