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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:10 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
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Dr. Fappo wrote:Turkey has a total 60 million population+ The moment they enter they E.U, they could pretty much population flood a little country like cyprus within a decade.


Cyprus is only the means to Turkish access to France, Germany and UK, don't you know?

When the 60 M Turks have vacated Asia Minor -- we move in and take it back! 8)

(BTW: Do you go by the urban meaning of your name? :D )


As an observation the Turks, first Seljuk and the Ottoman are only recent incomers to what is now modern day Turkey, invading sometime after about 1071 AD. Recent genetic research suggests that the majority of the population of Anatolia are not in fact genetically Turkic in origin (i.e. Seljuk or Ottoman) but are the descendants of what were probably the Greek speaking indigenous inhabitants of Anatolia, with very similar genetic characteristics to those of other Eastern Mediterranean inhabitants, including the Cypriots, but whose language and culture was supplanted by the politically dominant Ottoman language and Culture.

That might helps explain why the Turkish Cypriots (many of whom are descended from settlers who were sent to the Island following the Ottoman conquest in 1571 are apparently genetically similar to the current Greek Speaking Cypriot population.

I'd be happy however to review objective evidence of the haplogroups and clades found in Greeks, Turks, and Cypriots (both Greek speaking and Turkish speaking) and other east Med peoples.


Would you cite references to all the above claims, please.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:54 am

Oracle wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Dr. Fappo wrote:Turkey has a total 60 million population+ The moment they enter they E.U, they could pretty much population flood a little country like cyprus within a decade.


Cyprus is only the means to Turkish access to France, Germany and UK, don't you know?

When the 60 M Turks have vacated Asia Minor -- we move in and take it back! 8)

(BTW: Do you go by the urban meaning of your name? :D )


As an observation the Turks, first Seljuk and the Ottoman are only recent incomers to what is now modern day Turkey, invading sometime after about 1071 AD. Recent genetic research suggests that the majority of the population of Anatolia are not in fact genetically Turkic in origin (i.e. Seljuk or Ottoman) but are the descendants of what were probably the Greek speaking indigenous inhabitants of Anatolia, with very similar genetic characteristics to those of other Eastern Mediterranean inhabitants, including the Cypriots, but whose language and culture was supplanted by the politically dominant Ottoman language and Culture.

That might helps explain why the Turkish Cypriots (many of whom are descended from settlers who were sent to the Island following the Ottoman conquest in 1571 are apparently genetically similar to the current Greek Speaking Cypriot population.

I'd be happy however to review objective evidence of the haplogroups and clades found in Greeks, Turks, and Cypriots (both Greek speaking and Turkish speaking) and other east Med peoples.


Would you cite references to all the above claims, please.


Perhaps its this book by Vryonis, which I mentioned a few years back

'The Decline of Medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor and the Rise of Islamisation'.

A very interesting book. No mention of Haplo-gtoups though. Did not know them until Oracle... :lol:

It doeas contain many original sources.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:25 am

Oracle wrote:
Dr. Fappo wrote:Turkey has a total 60 million population+ The moment they enter they E.U, they could pretty much population flood a little country like cyprus within a decade.


Cyprus is only the means to Turkish access to France, Germany and UK, don't you know?

When the 60 M Turks have vacated Asia Minor -- we move in and take it back! 8)

(BTW: Do you go by the urban meaning of your name? :D )


Sorry,but Dr Fappo is wrong...There are over 75 Million people officially categorised as Turks living in Turkey...You will have hell of a long wait before any of them go anywhere...If you don't believe me as the Kurds of Turkey! :wink:
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Postby Cossie » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:09 am

Oracle wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Dr. Fappo wrote:Turkey has a total 60 million population+ The moment they enter they E.U, they could pretty much population flood a little country like cyprus within a decade.


Cyprus is only the means to Turkish access to France, Germany and UK, don't you know?

When the 60 M Turks have vacated Asia Minor -- we move in and take it back! 8)

(BTW: Do you go by the urban meaning of your name? :D )


As an observation the Turks, first Seljuk and the Ottoman are only recent incomers to what is now modern day Turkey, invading sometime after about 1071 AD. Recent genetic research suggests that the majority of the population of Anatolia are not in fact genetically Turkic in origin (i.e. Seljuk or Ottoman) but are the descendants of what were probably the Greek speaking indigenous inhabitants of Anatolia, with very similar genetic characteristics to those of other Eastern Mediterranean inhabitants, including the Cypriots, but whose language and culture was supplanted by the politically dominant Ottoman language and Culture.

That might helps explain why the Turkish Cypriots (many of whom are descended from settlers who were sent to the Island following the Ottoman conquest in 1571 are apparently genetically similar to the current Greek Speaking Cypriot population.

I'd be happy however to review objective evidence of the haplogroups and clades found in Greeks, Turks, and Cypriots (both Greek speaking and Turkish speaking) and other east Med peoples.


Would you cite references to all the above claims, please.


Hi Oracle

follow this link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1390250

This is from a PNAS paper (Proc. Nail. Acad. Sci. USA, 1994, 91. 12288. Unfortunately the study didnt include mainland Greeks or Turks, but note the common origin of the GCs and TCs. Of course this could also mean interbreeding.

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Neighbor-joining tree of population relationships. This tree is rooted where a hypothetical ancestral population—in which the frequency of the Alu element at each of the eight loci is set to 0.0—attaches to the unrooted network. Numbers indicate (in per cent) the fraction of 500 bootstrap replicates that supported a particular grouping.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:38 am

Cossie wrote:
Oracle wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Dr. Fappo wrote:Turkey has a total 60 million population+ The moment they enter they E.U, they could pretty much population flood a little country like cyprus within a decade.


Cyprus is only the means to Turkish access to France, Germany and UK, don't you know?

When the 60 M Turks have vacated Asia Minor -- we move in and take it back! 8)

(BTW: Do you go by the urban meaning of your name? :D )


As an observation the Turks, first Seljuk and the Ottoman are only recent incomers to what is now modern day Turkey, invading sometime after about 1071 AD. Recent genetic research suggests that the majority of the population of Anatolia are not in fact genetically Turkic in origin (i.e. Seljuk or Ottoman) but are the descendants of what were probably the Greek speaking indigenous inhabitants of Anatolia, with very similar genetic characteristics to those of other Eastern Mediterranean inhabitants, including the Cypriots, but whose language and culture was supplanted by the politically dominant Ottoman language and Culture.

That might helps explain why the Turkish Cypriots (many of whom are descended from settlers who were sent to the Island following the Ottoman conquest in 1571 are apparently genetically similar to the current Greek Speaking Cypriot population.

I'd be happy however to review objective evidence of the haplogroups and clades found in Greeks, Turks, and Cypriots (both Greek speaking and Turkish speaking) and other east Med peoples.


Would you cite references to all the above claims, please.


Hi Oracle

follow this link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1390250

This is from a PNAS paper (Proc. Nail. Acad. Sci. USA, 1994, 91. 12288. Unfortunately the study didnt include mainland Greeks or Turks, but note the common origin of the GCs and TCs. Of course this could also mean interbreeding.

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Neighbor-joining tree of population relationships. This tree is rooted where a hypothetical ancestral population—in which the frequency of the Alu element at each of the eight loci is set to 0.0—attaches to the unrooted network. Numbers indicate (in per cent) the fraction of 500 bootstrap replicates that supported a particular grouping.



I like it. Sotos, you deserve a hug. :lol:
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