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RE: Archipelagos's Locked Thread on Enosis

Postby Filitsa » Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:19 am

i cant understand, r u a greek-cypriot or a turkish????
if u r greek shame to you...


Archipelago, although your question wasn't addressed to me, I'd like to add my 2 cents for what they're worth. :)

Three quarters of my roots are in Greece and the other quarter is in Cyprus. Although I was neither born nor raised in either of those countries, I was raised with an emphasis on my Greek heritage as opposed to my Cypriot heritage. In fact, very little was said, told, or taught to me that ever lead me to distinguish Cypriot culture from Greek culture, of course because we are ethnically Greek, and to my family, this was all that mattered.

I was raised to believe that being Greek was the "cat's meow," like being one of the chosen few to be ordained with such a privilege -- "Se gnorisw apo thn kopsi" (First words of the Greek National Anthem) ... "Tourki! Tourki! Kriftite! Pate mesa sta pigadia!" (Turks! Turks! Hide! Go into the wells!" - words from a Greek School skit on the undergound schools during Ottoman Occupation), etc.

What was missing from the Greek education of my youth was how little Greece did for the benefit of her Greek Cypriot counterparts and worse her role in excacerbating existing tensions on the island. What a rude awakening I had when, as a young adult, in my self-induced venture to learn about my Cypriot heritage, I discovered this.

Suddenly, I had to reconcile my Greek pride.

So I ask, with all due respect, who are you to be shaming?
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Re: RE: Archipelagos's Locked Thread on Enosis

Postby Greekmaniac » Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:11 pm

Filitsa wrote:
i cant understand, r u a greek-cypriot or a turkish????
if u r greek shame to you...


Archipelago, although your question wasn't addressed to me, I'd like to add my 2 cents for what they're worth. :)

Three quarters of my roots are in Greece and the other quarter is in Cyprus. Although I was neither born nor raised in either of those countries, I was raised with an emphasis on my Greek heritage as opposed to my Cypriot heritage. In fact, very little was said, told, or taught to me that ever lead me to distinguish Cypriot culture from Greek culture, of course because we are ethnically Greek, and to my family, this was all that mattered.

I was raised to believe that being Greek was the "cat's meow," like being one of the chosen few to be ordained with such a privilege -- "Se gnorisw apo thn kopsi" (First words of the Greek National Anthem) ... "Tourki! Tourki! Kriftite! Pate mesa sta pigadia!" (Turks! Turks! Hide! Go into the wells!" - words from a Greek School skit on the undergound schools during Ottoman Occupation), etc.

What was missing from the Greek education of my youth was how little Greece did for the benefit of her Greek Cypriot counterparts and worse her role in excacerbating existing tensions on the island. What a rude awakening I had when, as a young adult, in my self-induced venture to learn about my Cypriot heritage, I discovered this.

Suddenly, I had to reconcile my Greek pride.

So I ask, with all due respect, who are you to be shaming?


The fact that the Greek government did more harm than good , is a result of a puppet regime controlled by the Bitish , USA , this should not change what has been taught too you about Greek pride , Cyprus is a Greek island that is under occupation and will be free one day. Dont blame the people for the governments mistakes.
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Postby Greekmaniac » Sat Aug 13, 2005 1:01 am

THIS HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER FOR ALL THE OCCUPYING FORCES OF GREECE AND ALL TRAITORS OF THE GREEK STATE.

1 .The war of Independence 1821
2 .1832 The creation of modern Greece (john capodistria)
3 . Meyali idea is born
4 .1881 Thessaly and Epirus
5 .1897 Greece declares war lands troops on Crete (European powers intervene and save the Turks)
6 .1890 Greece moves to Macedonia ( European powers intervene Turkey receives money and small amount of land on thessaly border , First time in 100 years Greece gives up land to Turkey)
7 . 1912Greece declares war on Turkey Greece occupies thessaloniki
8 .Greek army moves towards Constantinople ( Eurpean powers intervene to save the Turks)
9 .1913 Greece goes to war with Bulgaria Greece gets Macedonia,Crete, and the Agean Islands.
10 .1913 WW1 the allies offer Smyrna Cyprus , and Constantinople to enter war
11 . WW1 ends the Ottoman empire comes to end Greece gets Thrace Smyrana and large part of western Anatolia 12 .1919 -22 the Greco-Turkish war ends in disaster for Greeks thanks to the back stabbing European powers Greece loses Smyrna
13 . 1939 WW2 Italy declares war on Greece and suffers a humiliating loss Germany comes to its assistance and has a very hard time conquering the stubborn Greeks
14 . 1947 Greece gets Dodecanese from Italy
15 .These were the last Greek speaking areas to be united with the Greek state leaving only Cyprus
16 . 1955 Greeks fight the British on the island of Cyprus for Enosis(EOKA)
17 . 1960 Makarios sells Cyprus out (needless to say European powers fuck us again)
18 .1963 Greeks fight for Enosis and the TC who have been recruited by the British forces
19 .1974 Greeks fight for Enosis and the TC who have been recruited by the British forces
20 . Eoka tries too reinstate the Greek government to its rightfull land
21 . Turkey uses Greek problems as excuse to invade a small island at its weakest point with US arms and a guarantee from the international community that they will no intervene Greece is held back by puppet regime .
21 .2005 38% of the the Greek island of Cyprus is occupied by the Turks
22 . As ive said Greece still remains in a state of war one day corrupt politicians will stop running the country and real men will take control.

Final note to occupying forces and traitors I want you to pay attention to the trend that has developed since 1821 Greece will unite all its people and land under the Greek state its just a matter of time .
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Postby cannedmoose » Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:47 am

Note how he forgets to mention the Battle of Navarino in which British and French ships helped to protect the Greek rebellion from almost certain defeat at the hand of a massive Ottoman reinforcement fleet from Egypt.

Note also how Greece's aggressive war against the collapsing Ottomans, an example of the type of land-grab perpetrated by Turkey in Cyprus 55 years later is depicted in positive terms.

Note also how he forgets to mention the modern Thermopylae where British troops held the pass allowing their compatriots and many Greeks to escape the mainland and fight on in Crete.

Note also how he conveniently skips over the end of the war when Greeks were once again liberated by foreigners.

Note this person's hatred for Makarios, candidacy for EOKA-C forthcoming no doubt.

Note how the 1963 violence against innocent TCs is regarded as a fight for enosis.

Note how the 1974 coupists are depicted as fighters for enosis, rather than the invaders and traitors that they were.

Note how Greece is depicted as not having intervened because of its 'puppet regime' rather than the truth which is the inability of the Greek state then and now to project forces to Cyprus.

'Real men will take control'... don't make me laugh. I think you're living a deluded fantasy. The real men (and women) are those that realise Greece and Turkey have greater mutual interests in peace than war. I know what that makes you.
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Postby ChomskyFan » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:38 pm

Ok Moose, hypothetically, There are 82% TC's in Cyprus and 18% GC's.......

Do you think Cyprus would remain a Independent Cyprus Island?

No.

It would be Turkish, no doubt, part of Turkey.

Ottoman 'State' was founded on violent imperialism. Byzantines always considered War to be a last resort, they always considered war to be a failure of diplomacy. Byzantine Suffered Agonizing collapse from 12th century onwards, but it gave more in literature, philopophy, learning, than the Ottomans EVER did.

That is why I am most proud part of being a Greek is the INTELLECTUALS that Greece gave to the World, from Athenian, to Hellenestic, to Roman, to Byzantine. Sure, I am proud of Alexander the Great and other great Greek warriors as well. But I am most proud of the intellectuals. Turks have only war to be proud of.
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Postby brother » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:10 am

That is why I am most proud part of being a Greek is the INTELLECTUALS that Greece gave to the World, from Athenian, to Hellenestic, to Roman, to Byzantine.



So why do you not try and be intellectual and civilised like the greeks you are proud of and instead tread the line of nationalistic rheatoric which is a step backwards imo.
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Postby Filitsa » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:49 pm

Chomskyfan writes:

Ok Moose, hypothetically, There are 82% TC's in Cyprus and 18% GC's.......

Do you think Cyprus would remain a Independent Cyprus Island?

No.

It would be Turkish, no doubt, part of Turkey.

Ottoman 'State' was founded on violent imperialism. Byzantines always considered War to be a last resort, they always considered war to be a failure of diplomacy. Byzantine Suffered Agonizing collapse from 12th century onwards, but it gave more in literature, philopophy, learning, than the Ottomans EVER did.

That is why I am most proud part of being a Greek is the INTELLECTUALS that Greece gave to the World, from Athenian, to Hellenestic, to Roman, to Byzantine. Sure, I am proud of Alexander the Great and other great Greek warriors as well. But I am most proud of the intellectuals. Turks have only war to be proud of.


This is a faulty hypothetical, Chomskyfan, and those who argue with faulty hypotheticals do their arguments (and Noam :) ) a big disservice. It would behoove you and others to deal in reality. Only then will you do our ancestors proud.
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Postby gabaston » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:09 pm

Do you think Cyprus would remain a Independent Cyprus Island?

No.


totally disagree. Cyprus would still have gone the same way. After ww1 it still would have been annexed. Turkey would nor have sent an invasion force against the british, and indepence would have been granted probably later than 60 and without bloodshed. Even the most die hard tc partitionists have not called for unity with turkey. Tc would have respected the gc population.


Filitsa i agree but .........behoove?? whats that?


be appropriate or necessary; "IT behooves us to reflect on this matter"

oooo learnt a new word. thanks filitsa, i somehow feel more behooven now.
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Postby Filitsa » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:22 am

gabaston wrote:
Do you think Cyprus would remain a Independent Cyprus Island?

No.


totally disagree. Cyprus would still have gone the same way. After ww1 it still would have been annexed. Turkey would nor have sent an invasion force against the british, and indepence would have been granted probably later than 60 and without bloodshed.


Hmmm ... okay.

Even the most die hard tc partitionists have not called for unity with turkey. Tc would have respected the gc population.


How are you so sure?


Filitsa i agree but .........behoove?? whats that?

be appropriate or necessary; "IT behooves us to reflect on this matter"

oooo learnt a new word. thanks filitsa, i somehow feel more behooven now.


Ooo hoo! Stick around, Gabaston. I've got more from where this came. :wink:
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Postby gabaston » Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:49 am

How are you so sure?


you have every right to question this.

in my experience that is the type of people we are.

many gc's have called for enosis, yet of the hundreds of tcs i know none has ever called for unity with Turkey, and only one has ever called for complete turkish control of cyprus. I know many gc's will doubt this and i admit we do have the odd nutcase too, but we are a "live and let live" people. Honest gcs who know us well will agree with that.
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