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It seems that Denmark is joining with the forces opposing Turkey's accession:

The Prime Minister of Denmark has expressed openly his reserve to the possibility that Turkey will become an E.U. member.

He said:

“We are forced to take the bull by the horns and discuss how the E.U. should grow”, he added that if it grows too large it will fall apart.

He noted also that “it would be very difficult for Turkish culture to be adapted to Europe”

from Eleftherotypia newspaper 09 Aug 2005

[magikthrill]

this comes back to a post i had made a while back about the security analysis of turkeys potential EU accession. the fact remains that Turkey will 99% NOT enhter the EU and slowly countries are coming with different reasons why this should not occur: cyprus of course hte primary excuse, kurds, armenian genocide, and now Turkish culture. give me a break.

this of course could be detrimental to the cyprus problem...

[brother]

Now i ask in light of all these absolutely ridiculas reasons for not accepting Turkey is it not obvious that a form of turkophobia=racist elements are rearing there ugly heads, i mean if the culture does not fit then why has most EU countries have sizeable muslim communities, or will that be next asking these people to leave.

[ChomskyFan]

Now i ask in light of all these absolutely ridiculas reasons for not accepting Turkey is it not obvious that a form of turkophobia=racist elements are rearing there ugly heads, i mean if the culture does not fit then why has most EU countries have sizeable muslim communities, or will that be next asking these people to leave.

Why do Turks always have to play the race card? Your country is simply not European, your army pratically runs the country in many areas (The NSC), you have an appalling human rights record, it's getting better, but its still terrible. You refuse to acknowledge one of the worst Genocides of the twentieth century, ultra-nationalism is rampant everywhere....

[brother]

Why do Turks always have to play the race card? Your country is simply not European, your army pratically runs the country in many areas (The NSC), you have an appalling human rights record, it's getting better, but its still terrible. You refuse to acknowledge one of the worst Genocides of the twentieth century, ultra-nationalism is rampant everywhere....

If Turkey is not european then nor is cyprus as a country, you can argue that cyprus people are european but that would just not be true would it.

The race card is played as they are pushing the turks away based on race, if that were not the case then turkey would be in negotiations, for arguements sake you can say that Romania is more advanced of prepared for the membership it has in EU then Turkey, i don't think so.


The genocide is a point of contempt between two countries who have both stubbornley stood their ground and stopped every concievable attempt to get to the truth as they fear the truth, the armenians fear it will not be a genocide but a civil war where many armenians died and the turks fear the genocide becoming fact imo.

Ultra nationalism is everywhere i agree with especially in Greece and South Cyprus as we see from news reports and this forum here, people posting anti-turk sentiments and anti-muslim sentiments and trying to put forward twisted historical events to create a climate of hate.

[Murtaza]

You are taking this guy much serious, he is also an ultra-nationalist.Dont waste your time for explaining something to him.

[brother]

You are taking this guy much serious, he is also an ultra-nationalist.Dont waste your time for explaining something to him.

No i am not taking him seriousley but what i am doing is answering his statements so anyone who reads what he writes will see the truth underneath his biased and nationalistic postings.

[ChomskyFan]

Why do Turks always have to play the race card? Your country is simply not European, your army pratically runs the country in many areas (The NSC), you have an appalling human rights record, it's getting better, but its still terrible. You refuse to acknowledge one of the worst Genocides of the twentieth century, ultra-nationalism is rampant everywhere....

If Turkey is not european then nor is cyprus as a country, you can argue that cyprus people are european but that would just not be true would it.

The race card is played as they are pushing the turks away based on race, if that were not the case then turkey would be in negotiations, for arguements sake you can say that Romania is more advanced of prepared for the membership it has in EU then Turkey, i don't think so.


The genocide is a point of contempt between two countries who have both stubbornley stood their ground and stopped every concievable attempt to get to the truth as they fear the truth, the armenians fear it will not be a genocide but a civil war where many armenians died and the turks fear the genocide becoming fact imo.

Ultra nationalism is everywhere i agree with especially in Greece and South Cyprus as we see from news reports and this forum here, people posting anti-turk sentiments and anti-muslim sentiments and trying to put forward twisted historical events to create a climate of hate.

Firstly, economically Romania is like most of Eastern Europe, relatively bad, but improving, secondly, Romania's Human Rights record is FAR better than that of Turkey, there have been no cases in Romania of The Romania Military 'depopulating' 3000 Kurdish Villages.

Most respected Scholars, including some Turkish ones, have agreed on a consensus that The Genocide did occur, among these are some Historian Heavyweights such as Howard Zinn. The Turkish Government is pursuing a policy of censorship regarding this issue, infringing on many other countries as well, for example, Germany and the School Textbook issue. This is unnaceptable.

Thirdly, ultra-nationalism is rampant in Turkey, it is not rampant in unoccupied Cyprus or Greece. As stated, the Greek Nationalists polled best at 4.3% in the Mayoral Elections of Athens, Turkish Nationalists recieved 19% of the votes in their best showing, thats a far worse problem, not least because we have seen the sickening displays of Turkish Nationalism in action, for example, attempting to kill foreign football fans when they go over there. As one Arsenal fan remarked during the UEFA cup final, "They're [The Galatasaray Fans] Animals, it's as simple as that".

And subjecting Islam to critical analysis should not be a crime, Muslims should not be allowed to climb behind this almost protective shield of Islam being coddled like a baby. Criticism of religion is freedom.

Turkey has actually got away with quite a lot, Mr Erdogan recently tried to push through a law making Adultery Illegal and at worst punishable by death, such an act is unacceptable, it shows Islam cannot reform, it simply hovers about in the 7th Century and will not move any further than that point. There is nothing wrong, repeat, nothing wrong with subjecting Islam to critical analysis, after all, if it is the 'one true faith' what have Muslims got to hide? A lot of Muslims in European Countries are maintained by the state, they see this as their right, it is the Jizyah that Kaffir must pay to support them, if Europeans think that one day Muslim Immigrants are going to pay for their pensions, then they are in for a nasty surprise.

[erolz]

As one Arsenal fan remarked during the UEFA cup final, "They're [The Galatasaray Fans] Animals, it's as simple as that".

Using a remark from an arsenal fan at a football match is not my personal idea of supporing ones arguments, but rather of undermining them.

And subjecting Islam to critical analysis should not be a crime,

It should not be a crime and is not a crime. However incitement to racial hatered is a crime in many countries. To subject something to critical analysis one has to be capable of critical analysis.

If The Albanians continue with their own special brand of Islamist Aggression, then they too will have to be liquidated.

Liquidated in a belender is that?

Turkey has actually got away with quite a lot, Mr Erdogan recently tried to push through a law making Adultery Illegal and at worst punishable by death, such an act is unacceptable, it shows Islam cannot reform, it simply hovers about in the 7th Century and will not move any further than that point.

For your information and to aid your 'critical analysis' there are several states in the USA that currently have laws makinf adultery illegal. Raraely used laws and laws that have been challenged in higher courts, but they exist none the less.

There is nothing wrong, repeat, nothing wrong with subjecting Islam to critical analysis,

No there is nothing wrong with subjecting Islam to critical analysis (though this forum is not the place to do so) - and if you were capabale and willing to do this it would be one thing. In my personal opinion and based on your posts to date in this forum you have shown little personal ability for 'critical analysis' and much ability and desire to promote race based and religious based hatred and propaganda.

[brother]

Moderators Note: First section of post removed as it referred to a previous post which a member was warned about and which was subsequently edited by them.

not least because we have seen the sickening displays of Turkish Nationalism in action, for example, attempting to kill foreign football fans when they go over there. As one Arsenal fan remarked during the UEFA cup final, "They're [The Galatasaray Fans] Animals, it's as simple as that".

That's fresh coming from people whose national pastime is world wide known for hooliganism and not the turks.

A lot of Muslims in European Countries are maintained by the state, they see this as their right, it is the Jizyah that Kaffir must pay to support them, if Europeans think that one day Muslim Immigrants are going to pay for their pensions, then they are in for a nasty surprise.

Magority of muslims are hard working and have their own business's and contribute by paying the taxes like everyone else in europe.
Well they will be in for an even nastier surprise when they find that europeans can't even work their own industries because of the falling birth rate and the pensions are not paid, your arguement is weak at best on this one.