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Should Turkey Join the EU??

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

Should Turkey Join the EU??

Yes
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No
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Unsure
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Total votes : 40

Postby cypezokyli » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:51 am

sth funny about european and non-european mendality
http://www.infonegocio.com/xeron/bruno/italy.html

:lol: :lol:
makes you wonder what that expression actually means
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Postby elliniko_dj_nate » Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:49 am

I think it has something to do with honour killings, denying minorities the right to education and religious oppression. Not to mention, backward socio-economic government policies.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:47 am

Honour killings ? I know it goes on in some ME countries but are you saying that this barbaric ritual takes place in Turkey , can you point us to some evidence on this ?
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Postby sadik » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:57 am

miltiades wrote:Honour killings ? I know it goes on in some ME countries but are you saying that this barbaric ritual takes place in Turkey , can you point us to some evidence on this ?


It sometimes takes place in the East, mainly in Kurdish areas.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:23 am

Sadik , I just did some searching on Google , simply by asking " honour killings in Turkey "The results are a further indication that the Turkish Cypriots have moved ahead while the Turks in Turkey seem , on the surface to still tolerate this outdated barbaric ritual. below is a short script that Im sure you can find it yourself on Google.
I'm by no means having a dig at Turkey , but I think the Turkish Cypriots are aware that they are a distinct race related to mainland Turks , but most certainly are not mainland Turks, but Cypriots.
"SEARCH GOOGLE "
"Researchers estimate at least 200 girls and women are murdered each year by their families in Turkey; the real numbers, they say, may be far greater. Women's organizations say their estimates -- and their conclusion that honor crimes are on the rise -- are based on reports from local organizations and activists scattered across the country and from local newspapers that document cases investigated by police. Accurate statistics do not exist because police records do not break down homicides into specific types, and honor crimes often go unreported "
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Postby sadik » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:04 pm

miltiades wrote:Sadik , I just did some searching on Google , simply by asking " honour killings in Turkey "The results are a further indication that the Turkish Cypriots have moved ahead while the Turks in Turkey seem , on the surface to still tolerate this outdated barbaric ritual. below is a short script that Im sure you can find it yourself on Google.
I'm by no means having a dig at Turkey , but I think the Turkish Cypriots are aware that they are a distinct race related to mainland Turks , but most certainly are not mainland Turks, but Cypriots.
"SEARCH GOOGLE "
"Researchers estimate at least 200 girls and women are murdered each year by their families in Turkey; the real numbers, they say, may be far greater. Women's organizations say their estimates -- and their conclusion that honor crimes are on the rise -- are based on reports from local organizations and activists scattered across the country and from local newspapers that document cases investigated by police. Accurate statistics do not exist because police records do not break down homicides into specific types, and honor crimes often go unreported "


Milatides, as I said this is to a great extend a regional problem in the eastern Turkey where relatively a small percentage of the population lives. Turkey is a large country and it has various pockets of cultures. In the east, feuedal and tribal relationships still exist in some places. Because of this it's very difficult to prevent these killings. Severe punishment for these crimes were put in place a few years ago with the new penal law. After that, there was a sharp decline in these honor killings in the east, however this was accompanied with a significant increase in the number of suicides among young women. Now, it appears, they are encouraging young women to commit suicide instead of killing them. Womens organizations are trying to protect women in these kinds of situations but it's not always easy to do this in rural areas. This problem is not specific to some parts of Turkey. Look at the places where honor killing were reported: As of 2004, honor killings have occurred at the hands of individuals within parts of various countries, such as Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Ecuador, Egypt, Germany, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, Palestine, Sweden, Turkey, Uganda, the United Kingdom and the United States. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killings )
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Postby Strahd » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:27 pm

sadik wrote:Milatides, as I said this is to a great extend a regional problem in the eastern Turkey where relatively a small percentage of the population lives. Turkey is a large country and it has various pockets of cultures. In the east, feuedal and tribal relationships still exist in some places. Because of this it's very difficult to prevent these killings. Severe punishment for these crimes were put in place a few years ago with the new penal law. After that, there was a sharp decline in these honor killings in the east, however this was accompanied with a significant increase in the number of suicides among young women. Now, it appears, they are encouraging young women to commit suicide instead of killing them. Womens organizations are trying to protect women in these kinds of situations but it's not always easy to do this in rural areas. This problem is not specific to some parts of Turkey. Look at the places where honor killing were reported: As of 2004, honor killings have occurred at the hands of individuals within parts of various countries, such as Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Ecuador, Egypt, Germany, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, Palestine, Sweden, Turkey, Uganda, the United Kingdom and the United States. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killings )


you forgot to add the rest of the wikipedia text which says :

"However, the practice is supposedly over-whelmingly associated with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures. [9] Honor killings are more common among poor rural communities. In Europe, honor killings have mostly been reported within some Muslim and Sikh communities. "
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Postby miltiades » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:01 pm

Sadik , honour killings are carried out by people whose cultures , or religious beliefs are buried in the dark ages.
I know that such inhumane barbaric killings take place in some Western world countries and you mentioned the UK , but of course they are on the whole committed by people from third world countries .I also noted your comments regarding the intensified efforts by the Turkish government to punish the perpetrators.
May I add that I'm very happy that the Turkish Cypriots see that this practice is abhorrent and add their dismay at its continuation.
I'm also quite happy that this disgusting consideration , that the honour of a family is nested in the female private areas , is seen by the West as a barbaric and uncivilized practice .
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Postby sadik » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:16 pm

Strahd wrote:
sadik wrote:Milatides, as I said this is to a great extend a regional problem in the eastern Turkey where relatively a small percentage of the population lives. Turkey is a large country and it has various pockets of cultures. In the east, feuedal and tribal relationships still exist in some places. Because of this it's very difficult to prevent these killings. Severe punishment for these crimes were put in place a few years ago with the new penal law. After that, there was a sharp decline in these honor killings in the east, however this was accompanied with a significant increase in the number of suicides among young women. Now, it appears, they are encouraging young women to commit suicide instead of killing them. Womens organizations are trying to protect women in these kinds of situations but it's not always easy to do this in rural areas. This problem is not specific to some parts of Turkey. Look at the places where honor killing were reported: As of 2004, honor killings have occurred at the hands of individuals within parts of various countries, such as Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Ecuador, Egypt, Germany, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, Palestine, Sweden, Turkey, Uganda, the United Kingdom and the United States. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killings )


you forgot to add the rest of the wikipedia text which says :

"However, the practice is supposedly over-whelmingly associated with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures. [9] Honor killings are more common among poor rural communities. In Europe, honor killings have mostly been reported within some Muslim and Sikh communities. "


I did not forget to add. That's why I gave you the link :)
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Postby sadik » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:49 pm

miltiades wrote:Sadik , honour killings are carried out by people whose cultures , or religious beliefs are buried in the dark ages.
I know that such inhumane barbaric killings take place in some Western world countries and you mentioned the UK , but of course they are on the whole committed by people from third world countries .I also noted your comments regarding the intensified efforts by the Turkish government to punish the perpetrators.
May I add that I'm very happy that the Turkish Cypriots see that this practice is abhorrent and add their dismay at its continuation.
I'm also quite happy that this disgusting consideration , that the honour of a family is nested in the female private areas , is seen by the West as a barbaric and uncivilized practice .


Honor killings are of course abhorrant. It's as strange and foreign to as as it is to you. Turkish Cypriot women have thier equality in our society. What they want to do with their bodies is their own business. There will, of course, be gossiping in small places, but they will not receive a negative reaction from the society.
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