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Postby insan » Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:17 pm

Absurdity without bounds
2004-07-13 | Ηaravgi | ΤΑΣΟΥ ΤΣΑΠΠΑΡΕΛΛΑ
Cyprus is the only country where such absurdities and contradictions are possible

The unveiling of the Monument for the heroes of the Resistance in Limassol will take place today. This monument will be dedicated to the memory of the people who lost their lives while resisting the fascist treacherous coup. The monument will be only a small tribute to those children who were murdered by the Junta and EOKA B, the guerrilla organization founded by George Grivas Digenis with a view to fighting against Democracy in Cyprus and to exterminating the elected President of the Republic Ethnarch Makarios.



Grivas came to Cyprus and prepared his terrorist groups to fight against the left-wingers, Makarios’ supporters and the democratic people. Grivas Digenis came to organize the coup and eliminate anyone who would dare to stand in the way of his fascist plans. Those children whose names are engraved today on the Monument for the heroes of the Resistance were among those who stood in the way of Grivas’ fascist, terrorist course. This very Monument is officially unveiled today by the Republic of Cyprus.

There are no absurdities or contradictions up to now. OK, but do you know the exact location of this Monument, in case you wish to attend the unveiling ceremony or in case you want to visit it one day and lay some flowers? It lies on Grivas Digenis Avenue. This is an absurd historic allegory, which may be a world phenomenon, and could easily claim an entry in the Guinness Book of Records.

Imagine a touristic bus going by and the guide informing the passengers over the microphone correctly and objectively: We are now driving across Grivas Digenis Avenue. Grivas Digenis also belonged to the fascist organization X, to EOKA A all the way to EOKA B… We are now passing before the Monument for the heroes of the Resistance, for the Heroes who were killed during the resistance against the treacherous coup of the Athens Junta and of the EOKA B, whose founder, leader and instructor was Grivas Digenis himself. The tourists would be flabbergasted. People were right when they told them that Cyprus was one of the most beautiful tourist destinations. Besides the sun and the sea, you could also enjoy original snapshots of the life of the Cypriots. Who would imagine, for instance, that their own Monument of the Unknown Soldier, devoted to those who were killed during resistance against Hitler’s fascism, would ever lie on Hitler’s Avenue or on Hitler’s Square?

They should not misunderstand our absurdity, because this is the way to explain our History. If it hadn’t been for Grivas Digenis, and if he hadn’t done what he did, this Monument for the heroes of the Resistance would never have been erected!

Absurdity knows no bounds, but there is surely some logical explanation for it…







Cyprus is the only country where such absurdities and contradictions are possible



Absolutely right!

It's almost impossible to take something logical out from this absurdity... This absurd tragedy has been put on scene some 50 years ago and it's still our favourite sado-mazo game we like to play... A great tool to dig our own hole...
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:07 pm

Papadopoulos is the first president to officially honor the people that died in resistance.
Tell this to the people that accuse Papadopulos, and at the same time they support Cleredes, a person who created a party for all those EOKA-B members and Grivas supporters. If it wasn't for those people, streets named after Grivas would not exist.
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Postby michalis5354 » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:47 pm

This overgenerilisation that the majority of Greekcypriots support Grivas is tottaly wrong and not an unbiased point to make!

Of course Nationalist exist in any country and any attempt to eliminate Nationalist views on peoples minds will fail. Nationalist people are everywhere in the world USA , Germany,Turkey , Israel , Greece and cyprus is not an exception to that !

Still today anyone can find Hitlers and Nazis supporters throughout the world despite his brutally actions against jews, and it is not something new. Arent there nationalist Americans? Why did they go to war in Iraq then? Why no weapons of mass destruction being found in Iraq despite that this was being given as a main reason of the war? Everything begins from Nationalism
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Postby insan » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:50 pm

This overgenerilisation that the majority of Greekcypriots support Grivas is tottaly wrong and not an unbiased point to make!



michalis5354,


Who claimed or told that?
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Postby michalis5354 » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:51 pm

Anyone reading the aticle above get that impression ! Facts are correct but does not mean that Greekcypriots support Grivas. Even there is no association between Clerides and Grivas.
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Postby insan » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:56 pm

I think you got that impression because neither I or Piratis said something like that even what the writer emphasizes is something totally different than your impression....
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:40 pm

I think insan has hit the nail on the head. I can absolutely see his argument and also, I can see a very sensitive person through the way he lays his points of view. I find his sentence "Absurdity knows no bounds, but there is surely some logical explanation for it…" a beacon of moderation. Let me make an effort to unravel the puzzle.

Grivas was the leader of EOKA and during the struggle he became something of a legend. Of course everybody knew his previous antiques as a staunch anti communist and the role he played in Greece. During the struggle, EOKA executed tens of AKEL's members for no reason, rather because they were left wing. However, at the first opportunity AKEL sided with those that proposed that Grivas be elevated to "a worthy son of the motherland" and all AKEL representatives gave a positive vote in Parliament to this effect. So, if AKEL took such a position on Grivas, what is expected from the rest?

When he opposed Makarios, Grivas became, once again, a traitor for AKEL. However, remember, we are talking of a living legend. So, quite ingeniously, people started talking of 2 Grivas's, the one that existed up to 1971 and the Grivas of EOKA B until his death. This is absurd, but this is Cyprus my friend. The Grivas of 1955-1971 was a hero but the Grivas of 1971 to his death was the traitor who brought Turkey to Cyprus.

So, my friend, the many streets that bear his name, refer to the first Grivas, if you can understand what I mean ...
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:55 pm

If you become a traitor it doesn't matter what you did before. At the end you are still a traitor.
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Postby insan » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:38 pm

Bananoit,

Those words you quoted didn't belong to me...


Here's what I understood:


According to GC right wing Grivas is an unquestionable hero who made no mistakes ... He fought for something that majority of GCs desired... It's no matter either he did something illegal according to 1960 constutition or RoCs law which he and his backers never respected. He and his backers had believed that Britsh and Turkish colonialist must be removed from Cyprus and annexation with Greece achieved. He and his backers was also anti-communist and fought against communists, killed and oppressed them in order to make Cyprus a right winged controlled Greece province.

That's what GC right wing and their motherland backers think about it... They don't care others views regarding it... They had been put into power afterwards 1974 and they named some streets with their heroes name, build monuments for Grivas how they wished...


Things are different for GC left wing and TCs regarding Grivas and his actions... When we judge Grivas according to democrasy, human rights and laws he is an unquestionable criminal but in respect to GC right wing and their backers from Greece he is an unquestionable hero.


As a TC and a AKEL symphatisan, what disturbs me is that why the Monument for the heroes of the Resistance was put on Grivas Digenis Avenue... Is it yet another retaliation? What do they trying to tell us? Why wasn't it put somewhere meaningful and has no annoyances for leftists?

Perhaps AKEL plans to change that avenues name later on when/if they ever have had enough power...
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Postby MicAtCyp » Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:57 pm

Bananiot wrote: So, my friend, the many streets that bear his name, refer to the first Grivas, if you can understand what I mean ...


Ha, ha, ha. I liked it.You are absolutely right my friend.There are people who respect Grivas for both periods however, and others who respect him for none.

And I totally agree with my brother Insan. Cyprus is really the wonderland
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