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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:40 pm

boomerang wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:Reh Bir... bou ebeeyes???

Linking property and territory and Varosi... a way forward.

This is what Stephanou is reported as saying in the CY Weekly today...

“Linking the issues of property, territorial adjustment and (Turkish) settlers will create the conditions to push forward the negotiation process”, said Stephanou, noting that the SG adopts this position, which is also the position of the Greek Cypriot side.

He also pointed out that acceptance by the Turkish side of the balanced proposal of the Greek Cypriot side on the Turkish occupied city and port of Famagusta will also give a great impetus and momentum to the negotiations.

President Demetris Christofias has proposed the opening of the port of Famagusta, to be managed jointly by Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, under EU auspices.


stop it re bill...just stop it with your maximalist ideas...you know in 63 etc... :lol:


If you don't want to talk about the events of 63,it is fine...But then we can't talk about the events of 74 either...So what shall we talk about???


i never talked about either...i am a future man, unlike you stuck in a time warp... :lol:


Okey,lets talk about the future,future man...Where shall we begin???
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Postby boomerang » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:08 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Reh Bir... bou ebeeyes???

Linking property and territory and Varosi... a way forward.

This is what Stephanou is reported as saying in the CY Weekly today...

“Linking the issues of property, territorial adjustment and (Turkish) settlers will create the conditions to push forward the negotiation process”, said Stephanou, noting that the SG adopts this position, which is also the position of the Greek Cypriot side.

He also pointed out that acceptance by the Turkish side of the balanced proposal of the Greek Cypriot side on the Turkish occupied city and port of Famagusta will also give a great impetus and momentum to the negotiations.

President Demetris Christofias has proposed the opening of the port of Famagusta, to be managed jointly by Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, under EU auspices.


stop it re bill...just stop it with your maximalist ideas...you know in 63 etc... :lol:


If you don't want to talk about the events of 63,it is fine...But then we can't talk about the events of 74 either...So what shall we talk about???


i never talked about either...i am a future man, unlike you stuck in a time warp... :lol:


Okey,lets talk about the future,future man...Where shall we begin???


i am out of jokes but i can see you are on a roll...please go ahead... :lol:

It's 1AM...I am off to bed... :lol: ...but please don't let me stop you from providing comic relief to the rest of the forum...carry on...but you would be wiser in wearing your clown outfit...for an added effect... :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:15 am

boomerang wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Reh Bir... bou ebeeyes???

Linking property and territory and Varosi... a way forward.

This is what Stephanou is reported as saying in the CY Weekly today...

“Linking the issues of property, territorial adjustment and (Turkish) settlers will create the conditions to push forward the negotiation process”, said Stephanou, noting that the SG adopts this position, which is also the position of the Greek Cypriot side.

He also pointed out that acceptance by the Turkish side of the balanced proposal of the Greek Cypriot side on the Turkish occupied city and port of Famagusta will also give a great impetus and momentum to the negotiations.

President Demetris Christofias has proposed the opening of the port of Famagusta, to be managed jointly by Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, under EU auspices.


stop it re bill...just stop it with your maximalist ideas...you know in 63 etc... :lol:


If you don't want to talk about the events of 63,it is fine...But then we can't talk about the events of 74 either...So what shall we talk about???


i never talked about either...i am a future man, unlike you stuck in a time warp... :lol:


Okey,lets talk about the future,future man...Where shall we begin???


i am out of jokes but i can see you are on a roll...please go ahead... :lol:

It's 1AM...I am off to bed... :lol: ...but please don't let me stop you from providing comic relief to the rest of the forum...carry on...but you would be wiser in wearing your clown outfit...for an added effect... :lol:


Coward!!!
You say you are a man of the future...Do not want to talk about the past...
Fine,lets talk about the future...My question is :Where shall we begin???
Don't run off this time...Coward!
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Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:16 am

here is it nice and sweet...

in order to guess the future douche bag is to help create it...now ask your self this douche bag, how are you helping?...ponder on this for while knowing the shortest distance between your ears is still under construction... :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:07 pm

boomerang wrote:here is it nice and sweet...

in order to guess the future douche bag is to help create it...now ask your self this douche bag, how are you helping?...ponder on this for while knowing the shortest distance between your ears is still under construction... :lol:


Bloody Coward!
You have no idea where to begin do you?
Because to talk about the future you need to consider the past and the present...You are full of bullshit...You and many who think like you,who are the cause of all our troubles... The shortest distance between your ears goes through your arse,Coward...Bloody idiotic coward!
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Postby boomerang » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:05 pm

just remember a closed mouth gathers no foot. :lol:

a boomerang proverb... :lol:
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Postby antifon » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:32 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Reh Bir... bou ebeeyes???

Linking property and territory and Varosi... a way forward.

This is what Stephanou is reported as saying in the CY Weekly today...

“Linking the issues of property, territorial adjustment and (Turkish) settlers will create the conditions to push forward the negotiation process”, said Stephanou, noting that the SG adopts this position, which is also the position of the Greek Cypriot side.

He also pointed out that acceptance by the Turkish side of the balanced proposal of the Greek Cypriot side on the Turkish occupied city and port of Famagusta will also give a great impetus and momentum to the negotiations.

President Demetris Christofias has proposed the opening of the port of Famagusta, to be managed jointly by Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, under EU auspices.


stop it re bill...just stop it with your maximalist ideas...you know in 63 etc... :lol:


If you don't want to talk about the events of 63,it is fine...But then we can't talk about the events of 74 either...So what shall we talk about???


i never talked about either...i am a future man, unlike you stuck in a time warp... :lol:


Okey,lets talk about the future,future man...Where shall we begin???


i am out of jokes but i can see you are on a roll...please go ahead... :lol:

It's 1AM...I am off to bed... :lol: ...but please don't let me stop you from providing comic relief to the rest of the forum...carry on...but you would be wiser in wearing your clown outfit...for an added effect... :lol:


Coward!!!
You say you are a man of the future...Do not want to talk about the past...
Fine,lets talk about the future...My question is :Where shall we begin???
Don't run off this time...Coward!




This was always the beginning:
http://antifon.blogspot.com/2010/12/pre ... osals.html
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Re: NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY CONSTRUCTIVE...

Postby mem101 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:43 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:Okey folks,put your constructive,positive caps on and lets discuss,hopefully with an open mind and heart,the latest report on Cyprus by the ICG....


Crisis Group has detailed in four reports since 2006 how the interests of the 1.1 million Cypriots and outside parties would be best met with a comprehensive political settlement. This remains the ideal, but as it is unrealistic in the coming months, the sides should move ahead with unilateral steps such as the following, each of which could build confidence and help establish an environment more conducive to an overall agreement:

•Turkey should open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot sea and air traffic, meeting its signed 2005 obligation to implement the Additional Protocol to its EU Customs Union, and also permit Greek Cypriot aircraft to transit its airspace.
•Greek Cypriots should allow the port of Famagusta to handle Cypriot (including Turkish Cypriot) trade with the EU, under Turkish Cypriot management and EU supervision; end their practice of blocking Turkey’s EU negotiating chapters; and, in the event of trade beginning with Turkey after it implements the Additional Protocol, open up the Green Line to the passage of Turkish goods so that Turkish Cypriots can also benefit.
•Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots should hand back property in the Turkish-military controlled ghost resort of Varosha to its Greek Cypriot owners, subject to a UN interim regime that oversees reconstruction.
•Greek Cypriots should allow charter flights to Ercan Airport in the Turkish Cypriot zone, monitored by the EU.
•Turkey, Greece, the UK and the two Cypriot communities should put in place a mechanism to verify troop numbers on the island. Similarly, the Turkish Cypriot leadership should organise with Greek Cypriots a census to determine the exact population of the island and the legal status of its inhabitants.
•Greek Cypriots should cooperate with Turkish Cypriot administrative entities, pending a political settlement. Turkish officials should meet with Greek Cypriot officials, and Turkish Cypriots should be supportive.
•The European Commission, supported by the EU Presidency, should continue to serve as an honest broker to secure agreement on interim steps. Leaders of EU member states should avoid partisan statements at a time when UN talks continue and no one party is being clearly obstructive.





http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/e ... ement.aspx


Some good steps here, I think. I disagree that they should all be implemented simulatneously, though, because it seems like a lot all at once and I think there would be many more who hold Piratis' opinion that the GCs' main bargaining chips would be spent. I think one at a time with a set time frame and order for when each point should be met. Also, I don't understand why Varosha can't simply be handed back to the RoC and lots of crossing ports opened between it and Famagusta in order to create the feeling of a "bicommunal" zone.

I think something which is overlooked in these points is to do something about the settlers; the north can change its immigration, settlement, and naturalisation procedures to be in line with and supported by the EU.
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Re: NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY CONSTRUCTIVE...

Postby wyoming cowboy » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:28 am

BirKibrisli wrote:Okey folks,put your constructive,positive caps on and lets discuss,hopefully with an open mind and heart,the latest report on Cyprus by the ICG....


Crisis Group has detailed in four reports since 2006 how the interests of the 1.1 million Cypriots and outside parties would be best met with a comprehensive political settlement. This remains the ideal, but as it is unrealistic in the coming months, the sides should move ahead with unilateral steps such as the following, each of which could build confidence and help establish an environment more conducive to an overall agreement:

•Turkey should open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot sea and air traffic, meeting its signed 2005 obligation to implement the Additional Protocol to its EU Customs Union, and also permit Greek Cypriot aircraft to transit its airspace.
•Greek Cypriots should allow the port of Famagusta to handle Cypriot (including Turkish Cypriot) trade with the EU, under Turkish Cypriot management and EU supervision; end their practice of blocking Turkey’s EU negotiating chapters; and, in the event of trade beginning with Turkey after it implements the Additional Protocol, open up the Green Line to the passage of Turkish goods so that Turkish Cypriots can also benefit.
•Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots should hand back property in the Turkish-military controlled ghost resort of Varosha to its Greek Cypriot owners, subject to a UN interim regime that oversees reconstruction.
•Greek Cypriots should allow charter flights to Ercan Airport in the Turkish Cypriot zone, monitored by the EU.
•Turkey, Greece, the UK and the two Cypriot communities should put in place a mechanism to verify troop numbers on the island. Similarly, the Turkish Cypriot leadership should organise with Greek Cypriots a census to determine the exact population of the island and the legal status of its inhabitants.
•Greek Cypriots should cooperate with Turkish Cypriot administrative entities, pending a political settlement. Turkish officials should meet with Greek Cypriot officials, and Turkish Cypriots should be supportive.
•The European Commission, supported by the EU Presidency, should continue to serve as an honest broker to secure agreement on interim steps. Leaders of EU member states should avoid partisan statements at a time when UN talks continue and no one party is being clearly obstructive.





http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/e ... ement.aspx


Constructively speaking, All Cypriots(Greek, Turk) who are of true Cypriot descent...should constructively sit down together formulate some sort of plan and get this thing solved already.....
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Re: NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY CONSTRUCTIVE...

Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:39 pm

mem101 wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Okey folks,put your constructive,positive caps on and lets discuss,hopefully with an open mind and heart,the latest report on Cyprus by the ICG....


Crisis Group has detailed in four reports since 2006 how the interests of the 1.1 million Cypriots and outside parties would be best met with a comprehensive political settlement. This remains the ideal, but as it is unrealistic in the coming months, the sides should move ahead with unilateral steps such as the following, each of which could build confidence and help establish an environment more conducive to an overall agreement:

•Turkey should open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot sea and air traffic, meeting its signed 2005 obligation to implement the Additional Protocol to its EU Customs Union, and also permit Greek Cypriot aircraft to transit its airspace.
•Greek Cypriots should allow the port of Famagusta to handle Cypriot (including Turkish Cypriot) trade with the EU, under Turkish Cypriot management and EU supervision; end their practice of blocking Turkey’s EU negotiating chapters; and, in the event of trade beginning with Turkey after it implements the Additional Protocol, open up the Green Line to the passage of Turkish goods so that Turkish Cypriots can also benefit.
•Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots should hand back property in the Turkish-military controlled ghost resort of Varosha to its Greek Cypriot owners, subject to a UN interim regime that oversees reconstruction.
•Greek Cypriots should allow charter flights to Ercan Airport in the Turkish Cypriot zone, monitored by the EU.
•Turkey, Greece, the UK and the two Cypriot communities should put in place a mechanism to verify troop numbers on the island. Similarly, the Turkish Cypriot leadership should organise with Greek Cypriots a census to determine the exact population of the island and the legal status of its inhabitants.
•Greek Cypriots should cooperate with Turkish Cypriot administrative entities, pending a political settlement. Turkish officials should meet with Greek Cypriot officials, and Turkish Cypriots should be supportive.
•The European Commission, supported by the EU Presidency, should continue to serve as an honest broker to secure agreement on interim steps. Leaders of EU member states should avoid partisan statements at a time when UN talks continue and no one party is being clearly obstructive.





http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/e ... ement.aspx


Some good steps here, I think. I disagree that they should all be implemented simulatneously, though, because it seems like a lot all at once and I think there would be many more who hold Piratis' opinion that the GCs' main bargaining chips would be spent. I think one at a time with a set time frame and order for when each point should be met. Also, I don't understand why Varosha can't simply be handed back to the RoC and lots of crossing ports opened between it and Famagusta in order to create the feeling of a "bicommunal" zone.

I think something which is overlooked in these points is to do something about the settlers; the north can change its immigration, settlement, and naturalisation procedures to be in line with and supported by the EU.


I suppose Turkey also feels they don't want to give up their prime bargaining chip by handing back Varosha...Years ago I made a suggestion that Varosha should be given to UN and opened up to any Cypriot who wants to live together with other Cypriots irrespective of their ethnic background...No one is prepared to think outside the square,it seems... :(
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