The Best Cyprus Community

Skip to content


mehmet ali talat

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Bananiot » Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:29 pm

Thank you for the free consultation, Piratis. Once again you failed to grasp (or you pretend that you don't) the real meaning of what I wrote. Nationalism, my friend, is by far the worse addiction and murderers who killed while high on nationalism in Aloa, Maratha and Sandalaris, are walking free in our society and probably are earning war pensions from the government or are highly paid government employees, for services rendered.

If you can name one such person that was arrested or even named in one way or another, for participating in the massacres, then I will invite you for a free stay in Athalassa, with me, where no doubt the psychiatrist you have prescribed will send me.

Anyway, your ability to offend people is quite remarkable, yet I am not offended, its quite a fun talking with you.
User avatar
Bananiot
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 6397
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:51 pm
Location: Nicosia

Postby mehmet » Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:27 pm

Piratis wrote:East and West Germany were both recognized countries. The same like North and South Korea are today.
In Cyprus there is only one country and only one goverment. In the north there is occupation and nothing more.


All four countries you mentioned came into existence following a war. Hmmmm.
mehmet
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 519
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:30 am
Location: hastings, UK (family from Komi Kebir & Lourijina)

answer

Postby PEACE » Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:41 pm

Bananiot wrote:If you can name one such person that was arrested or even named in one way or another, for participating in the massacres, then I will invite you for a free stay in Athalassa, with me, where no doubt the psychiatrist you have prescribed will send me.


Yes,i strongly agree with you Bananiot ! You touched to a point where i forgot to state.Thanks!

I looked the crimes that are related with TMT and Turkish army but i forgot to interrogate crimes by EOKA-B and Greek junta.

Good point ! :wink:
User avatar
PEACE
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 386
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:20 pm
Location: Lefke,Cyprus

Postby Piratis » Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:53 am

This brings me to another point with a slight relevance. When Salih was tragically murdered by a psychopath in Limassol 3 weeks ago, Volkan and other nationalist circles in the north, took the opportunity to remind the TC's of the GC barbarity. On the other hand, when a GC elderly woman was robbed and murdered by a settler in Karpasia, a few years ago, in unison, the whole GC media, condemned this and sited it as yet another example of turkish barbarism. The same was repeated in the cases of Tasos Isaac and Solomou.


Thank you for the free consultation, Piratis. Once again you failed to grasp (or you pretend that you don't) the real meaning of what I wrote. Nationalism, my friend, is by far the worse addiction and murderers who killed while high on nationalism in Aloa, Maratha and Sandalaris, are walking free in our society and probably are earning war pensions from the government or are highly paid government employees, for services rendered.


Didn't you write what is quoted first above? I was replying to that, and not to the "real meaning" that you had in your mind but you never typed. Sorry that I fail to grasp your thoughts directly from your head.

Why don't you simply admit that equating the murder of Salim with that of Isaak and Solomou was a mistake?
User avatar
Piratis
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 12261
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:08 pm

Postby Bananiot » Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:37 am

I said, quite explicitly, that whenever a GC was murdered, our side officially always laid the blame on turkish barbarism. That is absolutely unacceptable for all those of us that try to build bridges between the two communities. I said, quite explicitly, that for all barbaric acts the culprit is nationalism and people (like Papadopoulos) who have always fanned the flames of nationalism and chauvinism. Let me make it more clear for you. Mehmet, our forum friend from London, cannot be blamed for Solomou's murder, just because he is turkish. Bananiot, cannot be blamed for the atrocities in Aloa. Now, do you get it?

Talk to school kids my friend. Their idea of turkish people will make your hair stand on end. The brain washing that is taking place is out of this world. Possibly, that is the most important reason for the huge "NO" of the GC,s in the referendum. We were asked to co exist with the "barbarians"!
User avatar
Bananiot
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 6397
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:51 pm
Location: Nicosia

Postby Piratis » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:06 am

If what they did to Isaak and Solomou was not barbarism then what was it? I didn't generalize to say something like "all Turks are barbarians" or anything like that. But those that did those actions are barbarians. And I don't think Mehmet or any other TC in this forum would disagree. I agree that if some people used those events to generalize and present all Turks and TCs as gray wolves then this was wrong. But it is also wrong to say that those barbaric actions by hundreds of people are the same with a murder committed by a psychopath.
User avatar
Piratis
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 12261
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:08 pm

Postby Bananiot » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:47 am

I merely used some examples to press home my point. As always, you missed the point and dealt with the examples and made them the point. This is not the way to conduct an intelligent discussion.

Just to remind you, my point was that the majority of the TC,s showed commentable maturity in the face of tragedy, something we failed to do in similar circumstances when a GC was on the recieving end. Just point to one GC newspaper that reported the killing of the elderly GC lady by the settler, without generalising.

More important of course are the lessons we learn from such incidences.
User avatar
Bananiot
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 6397
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:51 pm
Location: Nicosia

Postby Piratis » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:04 am

my point was that the majority of the TC,s showed commentable maturity in the face of tragedy, something we failed to do in similar circumstances


The cases of Isaak and Solomou were not similar at all.
I don't know about the old lady story, I never heared about it. When did it happen? If you just talked about the old lady case, I wouldn't comment on what you said.

But the examples of Isaak and Solomou were the wrong ones. If you want to make a point, then either use examples that promote your point, or don't use examples at all.

Do you really believe that if 50 GC were beating to death a TC because he was demonstrating for his rights, and then those GC were not even arrested, that the TC newspapers would react in a different way than our newspapers did?
User avatar
Piratis
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 12261
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:08 pm

Postby Bananiot » Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:20 pm

Let me tell you a story of 200 GC,s stoning to death a man after he was tied onto a eucalyptous tree. He was not a TC but a GC! It happened in Lefconiko, but of course, you have never heard of this before so you are absolved of any guilt feelings. Only one GC newspaper objected, "Haravgi", and that was long before the paper became the mouthpiece of Papadopoulos.

I note that you still fail to get the point and you still dwell on the examples. Never mind, read Mehmet's story under another heading, that might just broaden your horizon.
User avatar
Bananiot
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 6397
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:51 pm
Location: Nicosia

Postby Piratis » Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:36 pm

Bananiot, I hope you realize that you change/avoid the subject of my objection to what you said in your initial post.

Let me make it clear, and try not to avoid it this time:

Here is what you said that I do not agree:

This brings me to another point with a slight relevance. When Salih was tragically murdered by a psychopath in Limassol 3 weeks ago, Volkan and other nationalist circles in the north, took the opportunity to remind the TC's of the GC barbarity. On the other hand, when a GC elderly woman was robbed and murdered by a settler in Karpasia, a few years ago, in unison, the whole GC media, condemned this and sited it as yet another example of turkish barbarism. The same was repeated in the cases of Tasos Isaac and Solomou.

Why I'm I remembering all these? Just to show that much mistrust exists that always finds a way to explode things right out of proportion. In the case of Salih, only the well known nationalists of the TC community tried to capitalise on a tragic incident. The rest of the TC community has shown commentable maturity. We can do with such maturity in the south.


Where I strongly object is your claim is that in the north they are very mature, and we are not.

To prove this you use the cases of Salim, old lady, Isaak-Solomou. If the proofs that you present are shown false, this means that what you are trying to prove is not proved.

I don't know the case of old lady so I can't comment on that. But the cases of Isaak and Solomou are not similar to the case of Salim, and therefore they do not support your point.

Therefore you can either:

1)Admit that your claim that in north are more mature is false.
or
2)Admit that the examples you gave (Isaak-Solomou) were the wrong ones.

I remember when that TC woman was given some problems in the airport by some policeman. Wasn't that blown out of proportions in the TC newspapers?
User avatar
Piratis
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 12261
Joined: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:08 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Cyprus Problem

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests